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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2015, 05:53:02 PM »

So if Charles De Gaul was born in Mexico, he would have been Mexican and not French?

Charles De Gaulle.

Absolutely. and If Obama was born in France , he would be french. that's how we build the "nationality" here.

if Obama was born in France. Obviously, it wouldn't be the Obama we know currently

"French" is something that does not really exists ethnically speaking.  "German" is something that has more ethnic reality historically and culturally speaking.

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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2015, 05:54:29 PM »

I've always understood nationality to be something they stamp on your passport. A legal category you are assigned based on where you have naturalized. Ethnicities can exist within any given nation (for example, Russia, China, any Mid-east country will have a thousand different ethnic groups). If you are born in a Hispanic family in America where you speak Spanish to all your relatives, friends, classmates and you eat burritos and horchata everyday and wave the Mexican flag in front of your house....... are you Mexican or American? Depends on who you ask I guess. This doesn't get into cultural attitudes which I find to be separate from both nationality and ethnicity. Ask someone who has cousins back in their mother country about how they are. Same ethnic DNA, traditions, etc. but very different behavior/attitudes based on a myriad of factors pertaining to just existing in a different environment.

That's something I can understand . Thanks for that.

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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2015, 05:54:54 PM »

Ethnicity is a human construction? So is DNA I suppose. Give me a break.

FWIW:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a socially defined category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural or national experience.

Note the bold in the above sentence.  Those are "or'd".  You are mistaking race for ethnicity. Read up on it.  I don't have a leg in this race, just trying to point out that the word ethnicity does not mean what you think it does.
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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2015, 05:58:33 PM »

Race represents the biological component to ethnicity. I don't think you truly understand it yourself. Now you'll just muddle the waters because the way most simple folk have defined race is by color. So the French, Germans, Scandinavians and Arabs are all the same depending on which census bureau you ask.

Fucking Venn diagrams needed now apparently...
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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2015, 06:04:09 PM »

No, Venn diagrams are unnecessary. I understand what you are saying. Race is not a requirement for ethnicity.
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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2015, 06:07:54 PM »

No, Venn diagrams are unnecessary. I understand what you are saying. Race is not a requirement for ethnicity.

Then you are talking about cultural identity, not ethnicity. Having an ethnic identity require a biological component. Being a white guy from Stockholm pretending to be Rastafarian is a cultural choice not an ethnicity.
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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2015, 06:14:13 PM »

Holy shit, I'm confused now.

I always thought of race as the biological component, and ethnicity as the cultural component.

For example: I always labeled myself under Asian for race, due to hair and eye color, facial structure, etc. On the flip side, I label myself ethnically as "American" due to heritage and upbringing.

This gets somewhat confusing with Asian people, particularly South-East Asian cultures who are not actually located in China but are considered "ethnic Chinese" from their cultural heritage.

Anax feel free to slap me upside the head if I'm just smoking something extra special.
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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2015, 06:14:51 PM »

Don't take my word for it, look it up.  It's the joy of the interwebs, fact check is just a google away.
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Re: Happy B-Day country-X!!
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2015, 06:27:38 PM »

Holy shit, I'm confused now.

I always thought of race as the biological component, and ethnicity as the cultural component.

For example: I always labeled myself under Asian for race, due to hair and eye color, facial structure, etc. On the flip side, I label myself ethnically as "American" due to heritage and upbringing.

This gets somewhat confusing with Asian people, particularly South-East Asian cultures who are not actually located in China but are considered "ethnic Chinese" from their cultural heritage.

Anax feel free to slap me upside the head if I'm just smoking something extra special.


Yeah, you would be ethnically Chinese (also racially) but culturally American.
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