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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2015, 12:13:01 AM »
Anyone know where I can get a mat? This one seems to be for newer models and is too big: RGS0008

I'm sure it'll improve the sound, I'd be shocked if this was the panacea for all things ailing the 1200.
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2015, 12:16:20 AM »
My guess would be Ebay. You should pm OJ for maybe size and if his has a part#.

I'm beginning to wonder if the non quartz locked ones might sound better. OJ's is a mk1.
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2015, 12:18:18 AM »
So what happened with the phonos?

Quote from: DaveBSC on August 24, 2015, 03:57:39 PM
Their review sample also arrived with loose tonearm bearings, good thing Turntable guru Mike Trei was in the house to fix it. I'm sure everyone has their own turntable guru right? Or does Pioneer send one out to you when you buy one? Platter wobble is also a problem from what I've read.

Yes, I'm quite familiar with that video and read about the tonearms. Kind of like buying a used 1200 that might be decades old, tossed around and also have loose bearings. I linked you the other video before of the reloop next to a 1200 side by side playing the same stuff everything being equal and the Harbin sounded better to me. Tell me that the 1200 sounds better in the video below. As a result I'm not really keen on 'having' to find a vintage 1200.

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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2015, 01:26:07 AM »
Quote from: OJneg on August 24, 2015, 10:45:14 PM

When you use the phrase "bad turntable sound" I dismiss. Also when you say Pro-ject and 1200 are just "different"...yeah no.


They are both bad. Keep in mind I had the shitty platter and a Sumiko Oyster cart on the project when we compared with the same preamps.

I never said the VPI Classic kills all. As it is right now, I suspect the VPI is limiting what the Ortofon can do.
 
Also, stop acting like a bitch on HF just because I never thought your precious SL1200 was good enough for my personal use. What we should concentrate on is why Adam's SL1200 sounded the way it did.
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2015, 01:39:00 AM »
Quote from: drfindley on August 25, 2015, 12:13:01 AM
Anyone know where I can get a mat? This one seems to be for newer models and is too big: RGS0008

I'm sure it'll improve the sound, I'd be shocked if this was the panacea for all things ailing the 1200.

Try the Trans-fi Resomat. A friend of mine has one on his modded SL-1200, works quite well.

http://www.trans-fi.com/resomat.htm
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2015, 01:46:54 AM »
There is no way your VPI Classic is a limiting factor for any cartridge you put on it, unless there is a resonance mismatch.  I've heard the Classic 1 with a Koetsu Coralstone, Airtight Supreme, Clearaudio Goldfinger and many others.  It brought out everything those carts are known for.

If it isn't killing most of the turntables out there, something is not setup correctly or optimized properly. You have bought a KILLER turntable, you just don't know it yet :)  it will be years before you outgrow that machine.

When u r ready,  :&, you need the SDS or the new Roadrunner supply, adjustable VTA tower upgrade, periphery ring, clamp.  You will not need another turntable in your life pretty much.

You bought really well!
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2015, 01:56:09 AM »
ok
« Last Edit: August 28, 2015, 05:51:59 PM by OJneg »
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2015, 02:59:06 AM »
Quote from: OJneg on August 25, 2015, 01:56:09 AM

You do realize Adam was there and heard the same thing.

Don't need to be this way. Usually when there are discrepancies like this, something is amiss. We'll find out.
 
 
« Last Edit: August 28, 2015, 05:52:28 PM by OJneg »
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2015, 03:35:27 AM »
Yeah, I suspect something is amiss (I have wondered this since I did the comparo), but it's been nothing obvious.

That said, having heard several tables (6-7) recently, the 1200 was the saddest of them all. It wasn't really close and I haven't harbored a deep hatred of them until yesterday. And even then it's only growing.
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Re: Turntable (x3) and Phono-Pre Comparison (x7 + x2 variants)
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2015, 03:50:49 AM »
We already knew you had issues with your 1200 since you pm'd us about not getting the same results you heard with OJ's table when you tried the same phono and cart.

I have to agree with a lot of what was said in Dave's platter mat link. So far I can't say I find myself a fan of clamps at all. They change sound but I don't tend to like what happens. That mat looks interesting. I wish there were numbers to back up the claims as it seems it would have been easy to actually do so. That said, it may just work if you can adjust the VTA to accommodate it.
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