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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2013, 06:54:29 AM »

Would you mind explaining more Dave? I didn't realize Rega's arms didn't have VTA (or SRA?) adjustment. I thought that was a standard feature for most "hi-fi" tonearms.

Would it make adjusting for certain cartridges difficult on Rega arms?

Most of the higher-end arms are fully adjustable, yes. It's easy to see why the RB300 and variants are such a popular arms, again at that level Rega does pretty well. The RB1000 is $2K though, and sorry but there are just way better arms available for that kind of money.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2013, 01:20:20 AM »

not sure if this qualifies for a "RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE"...

Anyways, just picked up a new turntable.  I have been toying with picking up a vinyl rig for awhile now, not necessarily because of the analog v digital discussion but, more to get access to better masters of some of the recent popular releases.

Anyways, I picked up a Debut Carbon, brush and stylus gauge and I would have to say that I am rather pleased with the output.

One thing that has been driving me nuts though is that I have a bunch of newer records and they all seem to have a massive amount of static electricity related crackle to them.  Anyone have any pointers for that?

Also, I ran myself sick going back and forth between getting a Technics SL-1210mk5(new one on craigslist) and heading the "audiophile" table route.  What are people's thoughts on the difference between the "DJ" tables and the audiophile stuff?
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2013, 05:29:23 AM »

Also, I ran myself sick going back and forth between getting a Technics SL-1210mk5(new one on craigslist) and heading the "audiophile" table route.  What are people's thoughts on the difference between the "DJ" tables and the audiophile stuff?

Some folks are huge fans of classic DD tables (Technics, Dual, Pioneer, etc) for their supposed speed accuracy vs. entry level belt-drive tables, but I don't really see much of an advantage there. You can get pretty good results from those tables certainly, provided you put a serious arm and cart on them, but you may be giving up a significant cost advantage depending on what you paid for the table initially. Some of the cart/arm/table package discounts are pretty massive vs. buying everything individually.

In my book the order of importance is cart > arm > table, but a good motor is definitely important.

Brushing in cleaning fluid and hand rinsing/drying will help your noise issues, but for the best results you really need a good RCM like a Nitty Gritty, Moth, or VPI 16.5. I'm normally not much of a VPI fan, but the 16.5 is excellent.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2013, 06:24:42 AM »

I think the VPI will probably be my next purchase as the the crackle keeps making me do double takes thinking that something is distorting in the music.

Not a VPI fan?  I had already planned out my "end of the line" table as the Aries 3 based on aesthetics alone but I suppose I will have to actually research beyond looking at the pictures. :&
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2013, 10:50:40 AM »


The VPI 16.5 is the best investment I've made in vinyl, bar none.  I was hesitant, but once you hear clean records you never go back!



Lots of "stuff" going on with my vinyl rig... I'm hoping to get my SME 3009 back soon from total refurbish and rewire.  Essentially it will be brand new.  I'm adding a custom machined base because the "base" that was on the table when I got it was a total joke. 

I'm also going to go with my first moving coil cartridge. A friend is setting me up with a NOS GAS Sleeping Beauty which should do well with the 3009 improved. 

I am waiting on some iron from Cinemag to build my own step up for the MC.

Not so much vinyl, but analog anyway, I picked up a reel to reel to play around with.  After some basic maintenance the first thing I plan to do is bypass the internals and build a tape stage for it.   I really love the sound of tape, it's just too bad that the selection of material is very limited.

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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2013, 09:05:19 PM »

Yah, I think I am hit by the vinyl bug bad and there are so many cheap good condition records out there.  Listening to 1984 on vinyl was way too much fun.  I definitely need a record cleaner for some of the older records as the surface noise is a lot more apparent.

One of the best headphone experiences I have had was listening to a Reel to Reel setup at a Bay Area headphone meet a few years back.  If I recall correctly it was some uber amp built by the Bottlehead guys and a Sennheiser HD800.  Just felt like I was right there with the artist.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2013, 10:38:12 PM »

I think the VPI will probably be my next purchase as the the crackle keeps making me do double takes thinking that something is distorting in the music.

Not a VPI fan?  I had already planned out my "end of the line" table as the Aries 3 based on aesthetics alone but I suppose I will have to actually research beyond looking at the pictures. :&

Yeah I don't like JMW arms. Also a friend of mine went through hell with them trying to get the motor for his TNT to actually work. For what the Aries 3 costs, I would suggest Origin Live instead. Their tables are all gorgeous and sound great, and their arms are as good as anyone's. I like Brinkmann, Kuzma, and Dr. Feickert too, but at "reasonable" prices O-L is my favorite.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2013, 11:01:28 PM »

One of the best headphone experiences I have had was listening to a Reel to Reel setup at a Bay Area headphone meet a few years back.  If I recall correctly it was some uber amp built by the Bottlehead guys and a Sennheiser HD800.  Just felt like I was right there with the artist.

That's more or less the goal!  I didn't go crazy with an ATR deck like Doc B's, but the Technics I got and the Bottlehead Eros Tape-pre should get me close.  That and springing for some of the "Tape Project" master dubs.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2013, 11:58:08 PM »

@shipsupt - the real question is: are you going to ship it in for the bay area meet or carry it on the airplane?   :&

@DaveBSC - I checked out the origin live from your posts awhile back in the thread.  Those do look pretty crazy.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2013, 12:53:10 AM »

@DaveBSC - I checked out the origin live from your posts awhile back in the thread.  Those do look pretty crazy.

Yep. I'm really curious how the Venture and Voyager will turn out. The Sovereign is already an absolute monster at its price point, so I really want to see what O-L can do when they go absolutely wild.

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