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Author Topic: For those who haven't followed this story Jackie Fuchs talks about her rape  (Read 2577 times)

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I'm physically handicapped so I couldn't join but my brother, sisters, father, uncles and cousins, or at least what's left of them, are all current and former army, and have fought in 4 wars. They would be the first to tell you that guns aren't the answer.

   And since you quote statistics, have you looked at gun-related accidental deaths? I live in PA and am addicted to the local news. Not a day goes by where a kid/parent gets "accidentally' shot by a loaded gun. 

1-No comment on the Army. I was in Iraq and my father was in Pearl Harbor/WW2, Korea and Vietnam. Do we get cookies? Does your argument win because it's not 3 v. 4? You should know veterans have different experiences and different opinions. You'd also be surprised about how those opinions break down by branch and various experiences. Guns surely were the answer for Hitler who rose to power by establishing laws confiscating all guns from private ownership of German citizens.

2-Didn't mean this to be a gun thread as it was miscontrued by some certain types as being such. So use the gun thread or I'll have to move this one. In any case.











3-Your characterization that is happens every day is fanciful, but negligent discharges are a crime and a result of poor training/incompetence. More people die from cars every day. It's not even a contest. Should we ban cars due to bad driving? Maybe car's aren't the answer!
« Last Edit: July 24, 2015, 06:53:49 PM by Anaxilus »
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If we're devolving to insults: I'm sorry you've got a little dick and this is your big dick fantasy.

The facts are simply that guns are very, very, very rarely used for self defense. They are far, far more commonly used to threaten women, to commit crimes and for suicide.

Here's some research compiled by the Harvard School of Public Health http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Oh, and concerning the idea that armed gun nuts would have stopped the shooting in Chattanooga?
Well, here's what the US Army thinks of gun nuts:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/23/425661376/army-warns-of-armed-citizens-trying-to-protect-recruiting-stations
You are a threat to others, defending nothing.

Fuchs was unconscious, no gun would have helped.
I'm all about self defense for women, but that wouldn't have helped, either.

Let's talk about how you don't believe women should vote. Couod be interesting.
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The original story is interesting and powerful both as a story about the music industry, which is why I posted it, and also as a human interest story.

I'm sure when one's compensations are threatened it must be hard, but let's not hijack a thread with something completely off topic and full of insults. I can take it and reply in kind, but is that really what we're about here?

Unless it's the part about women's right to vote. That's some quality crazy.

P.S. I have no hard feelings, but it seems people might.
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You really are daft. You obviously think the world is better if everyone is a potential rape victim.

Everyone is a potential rape victim, 'tis daft to think otherwise. Guns may act as a prophylactic against some potential rapes, but the sort committed by Fowley was facilitated by a pattern of emotional abuse, manipulation and entrapment. No way out of that unless there's some industry reform and greater opportunity for parental oversight (or other chaperoning) of minors working in entertainment.

I honestly wonder if this level of insult and condescension would be tolerated here on the Chang if it was someone other than Asshatilus.

Only when it comes to Anax or goobicii. The rest of us adhere to a higher standard of politesse. Good day, sir.
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The facts are simply that guns are very, very, very rarely used for self defense. They are far, far more commonly used to threaten women, to commit crimes and for suicide.


You're manipulated and massaged facts you mean. Just go ahead ignore common sense and logic and put all your eggs in a liberal spin basket why don't you. Because arrogant assholes like you won't let people defend themselves. How can you defend yourself with something you aren't allowed to possess? Durr...

Here's some research compiled by the Harvard School of Public Health http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Wtf is that article? Talking about illegal ownership and illegal use and use by adolescents? WTF kind of crap evidence do you keep posting and how you come to your logical fallacies as a result are beyond the pale of comprehension.

Oh, and concerning the idea that armed gun nuts would have stopped the shooting in Chattanooga?
Well, here's what the US Army thinks of gun nuts:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/23/425661376/army-warns-of-armed-citizens-trying-to-protect-recruiting-stations


1-How the hell did you get that article (which I've already seen copypasta'd all over) to mean guns wouldn't have helped or prevented Chatanooga? This is the kind of crap logic you need to stop. You're just making yourself look stupid now and confirming everything I've said.

2-Yeah. When we walk around armed in open carry on a military base in a combat zone, some Harvard fucktard has found guns provide no meaningful use or deterrent. Sure... facepalm Guns are totally worthless.

3-Nothing in that article says the Army thinks gun owners are nuts. Talk about illiterate and biased! They clearly said they don't people to feel uncomfortable going to a recruiting station if they are interested in joining. They want the recruiters to be able to do their job, they have numbers to reach in some cases. Btw, I worked as a recruiter for a year in the Marines, so go fuck yourself if you think you know shit about it.



Fuchs was unconscious, no gun would have helped.
I'm all about self defense for women, but that wouldn't have helped, either.

Let's talk about how you don't believe women should vote. Couod be interesting.


Blah blah, asked and answered. You're a jackass. Keep stupid to yourself, it can be contagious.
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Everyone is a potential rape victim, 'tis daft to think otherwise. Guns may act as a prophylactic against some potential rapes, but the sort committed by Fowley was facilitated by a pattern of emotional abuse, manipulation and entrapment. No way out of that unless there's some industry reform and greater opportunity for parental oversight (or other chaperoning) of minors working in entertainment.

Please read the whole thread. The only person that directly related guns to this case specifically was Kunlun. I was talking about victimization and his hypocritical stance on the matter.

I would have thought the second post in the thread would have made it abundantly clear what my position was.  ::)
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What I don't understand is why I can't have gun in a holster if I hike in the woods, but criminals can have all the guns they want.

I also don't understand why Diane Feinstein, her friends, and friends of Hollywood can so easily obtain concealed weapons permits, whereas "normal" people such as myself cannot.

You can for the moment. You would have to move back to Orange County. Pay close to a thousand dollars in fees including an application to the Sheriff's Dept. Fees to the Depart of Justice to perform a background check (Live Scan), a couple hundred bucks on training classes over two days (16 hours of live fire and legal classroom work), complete an interview with an officer/detective at the Professional Standards division, provide a proper 'Cause' statement and wait about 3-4 months. That is until some liberal judge or DA jerk-off tries to usurp Orange County's jurisdiction.

In LA you're effed. At least you get to drive on shitty roads that cost the CA resident $2500/yr.

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Can I apply for a permit for open carry? That's really what I want. Easier to get out to shoot mountain lions and bears. Yeah... I saw a two bears in while hiking near Mammoth Lakes last weekend. No bears in the trails where I live, but there are mountain lions and transient weirdos. Nature is dangerous. Probably will never need to use a gun, but you never know. Rather not read in newspapers "7 year old boy mauled by mountain lion."
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Can I apply for a permit for open carry? That's really what I want. Easier to get out to shoot mountain lions and bears. Yeah... I saw a two bears in while hiking near Mammoth Lakes last weekend. No bears in the trails where I live, but there are mountain lions and transient weirdos.

Call LAPD. Whichever division handles CCW should be able to tell you. Good luck. Maybe take up archery? I don't even know if that would be allowed on a trail in LA.
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