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Non-Audio Stuff => Random Thoughts => Topic started by: Kunlun on July 24, 2015, 02:31:30 AM
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Jackie Fuchs was part of The Runaways, an iconic rock girl group in the 70s. Her manager raped her in front of a room full of people and the story is just coming out now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-conversation-jackie-fuchs-wishes-shed-had-with-her-alleged-rapist_55b144e0e4b0a9b948541dc0?%3Fncid=tweetlnkushpsn00000001&ncid=fcbklnkushpsn00000001
Interesting and powerful.
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Kim Fowley was a soulless pedo vampire. I'm glad he's dead.
More on the Runaways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6kx5OEUVgE
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Goes to show you two consistent and repetitive historical facts:
1-When evil occurs in the world, most people will stand by and watch rather than get involved if it doesn't directly affect themselves (fear/cowardice).
2-Ultimately, you can't count on anyone other than yourself for your own safety.
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I realized that in California, I cannot exercise my 2nd amendment right to defend myself against mountain lions, bears, rattlesnakes, wierdos, etc. while on hiking trails.
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You mean rape whistles don't work on mountain lions? Someone linked a 'study' the other day showing a rock is 5% more effective for SD than a gun at reducing property loss. Obviously you don't know anything about science!
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You mean rape whistles don't work on mountain lions? Someone linked a 'study' the other day showing a rock is 5% more effective for SD than a gun at reducing property loss. Obviously you don't know anything about science!
So, a story about a 16 year old who is unconscious and raped by her manager in front of a room full of people makes you think if only GUNS were there, they would have saved her?
There are a lot of responses possible to that, but maybe I should ask why guns are even coming up?
I'll start a thread on research on the extreme rarity of gun use for self-defense, since it seems to be of interest.
Oh, and leave mountain lions alone, Marv. They are endangered and should be able to snack on anyone they please.
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You mean rape whistles don't work on mountain lions? Someone linked a 'study' the other day showing a rock is 5% more effective for SD than a gun at reducing property loss. Obviously you don't know anything about science!
I wish every parent would at least give their kid a solid foundation in self-defence skills taught by a teacher who emphasises self-control, respect & manners and kicking serious ass when perverts and violent idiots target them.
Guns are weapons you have to control. Control starts in the mind and extends to the body and peripherals. I do not want to read about more Malala's and sexual abuse victims. I want to read about victims who kick ass and stand up for themselves. The scandals through the years, from dirty priests to a glib Bill Cosby disgust me and get on my nerves.
We need more He-Mans and She-Ras to teach aggressors and perverts a lesson. If politically correct society want victims to only depend on the state and police well fuck that society. If politically correct society wants to reduce me to a victim I shall have to fight back and kick ass (as politely as possible).
Recently I was in a situation in which the (Dutch) police could have apprehended a violent stalker and criminal who was threatening me (among others) at my doorstep. I called them and they could not help "because procedures."
I stop here before I get too angry...
Anaxilus + 1
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So, a story about a 16 year old who is unconscious and raped by her manager in front of a room full of people makes you think if only GUNS were there, they would have saved her?
You really are daft. You obviously think the world is better if everyone is a potential rape victim.
It only of interest to nutjobs like you who project their own fear to disarm legal gun owners due to fear of illegal gun users.
Btw, we already have a few gun threads. If you would try reading or searching around you'd know that. Also you wouldn't barge into the shoutbox and links to 'studies' I already linked to and discussed prior. You're just completely out of your depth due to bias.
There is no 'study' possible that would prove an innocent person is better off defenseless against a vicious more powerful and/or armed attacker. Go pull your head out of your ass and play clash of clans or Civ. Might learn something.
People like you are a criminal's and terrorist's best friend. Gratz!
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You really are daft. You obviously think the world is better if everyone is a potential rape victim.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Goes back to the shoutbox last week when stupid linked a gun control article after 4 Marines were killed by a terrorist in gun free zones. Dickhead wants to disarm everyone who is NOT a criminal. Then posts a sympathetic thread about a woman being a victim cuz noone was willing to help her when she was being raped. Fucking hypocritical if you ask me.
You think you empower women letting them vote, but don't want them to be trained or have access to a force multiplier to level the playing field against an attacker? BS. People who believe that are the ones waging a war on women. Total hypocrites.
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https://www.gunowners.org/wv26.htm
"I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance.
This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.
First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.
Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).
Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.
Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes, "Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."
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You really are daft. You obviously think the world is better if everyone is a potential rape victim.
It only of interest to nutjobs like you who project their own fear to disarm legal gun owners due to fear of illegal gun users.
Btw, we already have a few gun threads. If you would try reading or searching around you'd know that. Also you wouldn't barge into the shoutbox and links to 'studies' I already linked to and discussed prior. You're just completely out of your depth due to bias.
There is no 'study' possible that would prove an innocent person is better off defenseless against a vicious more powerful and/or armed attacker. Go pull your head out of your ass and play clash of clans or Civ. Might learn something.
People like you are a criminal's and terrorist's best friend. Gratz!
I honestly wonder if this level of insult and condescension would be tolerated here on the Chang if it was someone other than Asshatilus.
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I honestly wonder if this level of insult and condescension would be tolerated here on the Chang if it was someone other than Asshatilus.
It is all the time, and was in the past. Chris gets it for talking shit the day after four of my Marine brothers died. That's about as personal as it gets and he believes I need to be a victim just like they were so he can feel safe in his 'mind'. Fuck that. The gloves are off when you when you want to threaten my safety and well being.
You want to play armchair counter-terrorist and criminology expert with people who actually put their lives on the line in real life? Then suffer the consequences. The real world is not the Internet.
Go ahead and call me asshatilus. I could give two-fucks. It's nothing compared to my own custom-title. I don't care because I'm not a weak bitch that needs to infringe on peoples liberty to defend themselves so I can sleep comfortably in my imaginary bubble blanket.
Oh yeah, Chris also has been misreading and blew up the shoutbox calling Claritas a racist who thinks black people are inherently stupid. Forgive me if my karma meter if is full effect. This is a little personal and probably not best for others to get involved publicly. Due to the fact that people are dying and this hypocritical position about women being victimized, I am making this public by calling a spade a spade. Too bad if it makes you uncomfrotable.
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It is all the time, and was in the past. Chris gets it for talking shit the day after four of my Marine brothers died. That's about as personal as it gets and he believes I need to be a victim just like they were so he can feel safe in his 'mind'. Fuck that. The gloves are off when you when you want to threaten my safety and well being.
You want to play armchair counter-terrorist and criminology expert with people who actually put their lives on the line in real life? Then suffer the consequences. The real world is not the Internet.
Go ahead and call me asshatilus. I could give two-fucks. It's nothing compared to my own custom-title. I don't care because I'm not a weak bitch that needs to infringe on peoples liberty to defend themselves so I can sleep comfortably in my imaginary bubble blanket.
Oh yeah, Chris also has been misreading and blew up the shoutbox calling Claritas a racist who thinks black people are inherently stupid. Forgive me if my karma meter if is full effect. This is a little personal and probably not best for others to get involved publicly. Due to the fact that people are dying and this hypocritical position about women being victimized, I am making this public by calling a spade a spade. Too bad if it makes you uncomfrotable.
I've only been on Changstar for a couple months but I imagine Anaxilus to be a raging bull.
I just hope he does not own a gun :) I think he does!
I'm physically handicapped so I couldn't join but my brother, sisters, father, uncles and cousins, or at least what's left of them, are all current and former army, and have fought in 4 wars. They would be the first to tell you that guns aren't the answer.
And since you quote statistics, have you looked at gun-related accidental deaths? I live in PA and am addicted to the local news. Not a day goes by where a kid/parent gets "accidentally' shot by a loaded gun.
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Everyone is wrong and it's a complicated situation. Women should have guns to protect themselves from violence, but this still would've happened if every single person in the room had a gun. They didn't do anything even though they could've easily, and that wouldn't have changed with everyone having guns. Also, it wouldn't make a difference if the woman had a gun, because she was drugged. Even still, women should have guns anyway. You guys are all split-thinking one way on the issue and it's kind of interesting to watch.
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https://www.gunowners.org/wv26.htm
"I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance.
This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.
First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.
Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).
Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.
Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes, "Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."
Interesting stuff, but not relevant to the scenario at hand. The girl was at a party with someone she was familiar with. This is certainly not a "stranger" assault. This goes more along the lines with date rape.
All the firearms in the world wouldn't have saved that girl. A little of humanity and perseverance from her friends would have done the trick. No idea why you felt the need to bring in guns in the first place. Maybe because Kunlun has said some stupid shit on that topic in the past.
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Everyone is wrong and it's a complicated situation. Women should have guns to protect themselves from violence, but this still would've happened if every single person in the room had a gun. They didn't do anything even though they could've easily, and that wouldn't have changed with everyone having guns. Also, it wouldn't make a difference if the woman had a gun, because she was drugged. Even still, women should have guns anyway. You guys are all split-thinking one way on the issue and it's kind of interesting to watch.
I'm not saying if she herself had a gun it would have stopped anything. I'm particularly calling out Chris as a hypocritical asshole for being in favor or promoting and admonishing female victimzation at the same time.
However, had those kids grown up in household where they were possibly trained by their parents and empowered to not be victims, things might have turned out differently. I'd venture to guess they grew up in rather laissez-faire households without guidance on such issues.
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Maybe because Kunlun has said some stupid shit on that topic in the past.
Precisely. See above.
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What I don't understand is why I can't have gun in a holster if I hike in the woods, but criminals can have all the guns they want.
I also don't understand why Diane Feinstein, her friends, and friends of Hollywood can so easily obtain concealed weapons permits, whereas "normal" people such as myself cannot.
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Yes, perhaps we should ask Kunlun the purpose of posting this topic in the first place. Is it to:
1. Reinforce the politcal ideology that dictates how the evil patriarchy is oppressing women/minorities/etc and plunge us further down the abyss of white male guilt, or
2. Remind us about how humans have the capacity to be incredibly weak creatures
With today's progressives, it's usually the former
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I'm physically handicapped so I couldn't join but my brother, sisters, father, uncles and cousins, or at least what's left of them, are all current and former army, and have fought in 4 wars. They would be the first to tell you that guns aren't the answer.
And since you quote statistics, have you looked at gun-related accidental deaths? I live in PA and am addicted to the local news. Not a day goes by where a kid/parent gets "accidentally' shot by a loaded gun.
1-No comment on the Army. I was in Iraq and my father was in Pearl Harbor/WW2, Korea and Vietnam. Do we get cookies? Does your argument win because it's not 3 v. 4? You should know veterans have different experiences and different opinions. You'd also be surprised about how those opinions break down by branch and various experiences. Guns surely were the answer for Hitler who rose to power by establishing laws confiscating all guns from private ownership of German citizens.
2-Didn't mean this to be a gun thread as it was miscontrued by some certain types as being such. So use the gun thread or I'll have to move this one. In any case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x81aV4XQ7rk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAvx8dc7hs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKUFbvD5KRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-OIlbVggR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8nLpeumTLg
3-Your characterization that is happens every day is fanciful, but negligent discharges are a crime and a result of poor training/incompetence. More people die from cars every day. It's not even a contest. Should we ban cars due to bad driving? Maybe car's aren't the answer!
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If we're devolving to insults: I'm sorry you've got a little dick and this is your big dick fantasy.
The facts are simply that guns are very, very, very rarely used for self defense. They are far, far more commonly used to threaten women, to commit crimes and for suicide.
Here's some research compiled by the Harvard School of Public Health http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
Oh, and concerning the idea that armed gun nuts would have stopped the shooting in Chattanooga?
Well, here's what the US Army thinks of gun nuts:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/23/425661376/army-warns-of-armed-citizens-trying-to-protect-recruiting-stations
You are a threat to others, defending nothing.
Fuchs was unconscious, no gun would have helped.
I'm all about self defense for women, but that wouldn't have helped, either.
Let's talk about how you don't believe women should vote. Couod be interesting.
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The original story is interesting and powerful both as a story about the music industry, which is why I posted it, and also as a human interest story.
I'm sure when one's compensations are threatened it must be hard, but let's not hijack a thread with something completely off topic and full of insults. I can take it and reply in kind, but is that really what we're about here?
Unless it's the part about women's right to vote. That's some quality crazy.
P.S. I have no hard feelings, but it seems people might.
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You really are daft. You obviously think the world is better if everyone is a potential rape victim.
Everyone is a potential rape victim, 'tis daft to think otherwise. Guns may act as a prophylactic against some potential rapes, but the sort committed by Fowley was facilitated by a pattern of emotional abuse, manipulation and entrapment. No way out of that unless there's some industry reform and greater opportunity for parental oversight (or other chaperoning) of minors working in entertainment.
I honestly wonder if this level of insult and condescension would be tolerated here on the Chang if it was someone other than Asshatilus.
Only when it comes to Anax or goobicii. The rest of us adhere to a higher standard of politesse. Good day, sir.
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The facts are simply that guns are very, very, very rarely used for self defense. They are far, far more commonly used to threaten women, to commit crimes and for suicide.
You're manipulated and massaged facts you mean. Just go ahead ignore common sense and logic and put all your eggs in a liberal spin basket why don't you. Because arrogant assholes like you won't let people defend themselves. How can you defend yourself with something you aren't allowed to possess? Durr...
Here's some research compiled by the Harvard School of Public Health http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
Wtf is that article? Talking about illegal ownership and illegal use and use by adolescents? WTF kind of crap evidence do you keep posting and how you come to your logical fallacies as a result are beyond the pale of comprehension.
Oh, and concerning the idea that armed gun nuts would have stopped the shooting in Chattanooga?
Well, here's what the US Army thinks of gun nuts:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/23/425661376/army-warns-of-armed-citizens-trying-to-protect-recruiting-stations
1-How the hell did you get that article (which I've already seen copypasta'd all over) to mean guns wouldn't have helped or prevented Chatanooga? This is the kind of crap logic you need to stop. You're just making yourself look stupid now and confirming everything I've said.
2-Yeah. When we walk around armed in open carry on a military base in a combat zone, some Harvard fucktard has found guns provide no meaningful use or deterrent. Sure... facepalm Guns are totally worthless.
3-Nothing in that article says the Army thinks gun owners are nuts. Talk about illiterate and biased! They clearly said they don't people to feel uncomfortable going to a recruiting station if they are interested in joining. They want the recruiters to be able to do their job, they have numbers to reach in some cases. Btw, I worked as a recruiter for a year in the Marines, so go fuck yourself if you think you know shit about it.
Fuchs was unconscious, no gun would have helped.
I'm all about self defense for women, but that wouldn't have helped, either.
Let's talk about how you don't believe women should vote. Couod be interesting.
Blah blah, asked and answered. You're a jackass. Keep stupid to yourself, it can be contagious.
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Hold on, let me dig up that "study" about how low testosterone liberals tend to have smaller penises
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Everyone is a potential rape victim, 'tis daft to think otherwise. Guns may act as a prophylactic against some potential rapes, but the sort committed by Fowley was facilitated by a pattern of emotional abuse, manipulation and entrapment. No way out of that unless there's some industry reform and greater opportunity for parental oversight (or other chaperoning) of minors working in entertainment.
Please read the whole thread. The only person that directly related guns to this case specifically was Kunlun. I was talking about victimization and his hypocritical stance on the matter.
I would have thought the second post in the thread would have made it abundantly clear what my position was. ::)
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What I don't understand is why I can't have gun in a holster if I hike in the woods, but criminals can have all the guns they want.
I also don't understand why Diane Feinstein, her friends, and friends of Hollywood can so easily obtain concealed weapons permits, whereas "normal" people such as myself cannot.
You can for the moment. You would have to move back to Orange County. Pay close to a thousand dollars in fees including an application to the Sheriff's Dept. Fees to the Depart of Justice to perform a background check (Live Scan), a couple hundred bucks on training classes over two days (16 hours of live fire and legal classroom work), complete an interview with an officer/detective at the Professional Standards division, provide a proper 'Cause' statement and wait about 3-4 months. That is until some liberal judge or DA jerk-off tries to usurp Orange County's jurisdiction.
In LA you're effed. At least you get to drive on shitty roads that cost the CA resident $2500/yr.
http://californiacommonsense.tumblr.com/post/97841804556/dismal-road-conditions-cost-californians-44
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Can I apply for a permit for open carry? That's really what I want. Easier to get out to shoot mountain lions and bears. Yeah... I saw a two bears in while hiking near Mammoth Lakes last weekend. No bears in the trails where I live, but there are mountain lions and transient weirdos. Nature is dangerous. Probably will never need to use a gun, but you never know. Rather not read in newspapers "7 year old boy mauled by mountain lion."
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Can I apply for a permit for open carry? That's really what I want. Easier to get out to shoot mountain lions and bears. Yeah... I saw a two bears in while hiking near Mammoth Lakes last weekend. No bears in the trails where I live, but there are mountain lions and transient weirdos.
Call LAPD. Whichever division handles CCW should be able to tell you. Good luck. Maybe take up archery? I don't even know if that would be allowed on a trail in LA.
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I honestly wonder if this level of insult and condescension would be tolerated here on the Chang if it was someone other than Asshatilus.
Anaxilus is far from the worst I have witnessed. Besides he actually does make his point in plain English.
The Bill Cosby deposition in the NYT, I could not finish it. The formulations Bill Cosby used to "excuse/explain" himself are things of a terrible nature. Too terrible to read in one go for me.
Women who are victims of abuse are too often neglected at the cost of a deep trauma and perpetrators walking away doing the "Pontius Pilate" which is simply embarrassing and sets dangerous precedents. In the Netherlands this is still a difficult topic. In general abuse is often almost taboo or too difficult to handle for many people and agencies.
It is a good thing that women speak up for themselves, full stop.
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Can I apply for a permit for open carry? That's really what I want. Easier to get out to shoot mountain lions and bears. Yeah... I saw a two bears in while hiking near Mammoth Lakes last weekend. No bears in the trails where I live, but there are mountain lions and transient weirdos. Nature is dangerous. Probably will never need to use a gun, but you never know. Rather not read in newspapers "7 year old boy mauled by mountain lion."
Wear a belt with a metal buckle ( I do) that you can swing like a crazed lunatic AND/OR teach your son to work as a team where he looks for jagged rocks and you're the rock flinger.
I have thought of these scenarios if you can believe it.
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Wear a belt with a metal buckle ( I do) that you can swing like a crazed lunatic AND/OR teach your son to work as a team where he looks for jagged rocks and you're the rock flinger.
I have thought of these scenarios if you can believe it.
Marv, you should teach your kid how to use a sling. Or maybe ninja stars are more appropriate in your case.....I believe he would be genetically disposed to pick that skill up quicker :D
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Arrrggg! The thing is I am hardly a gun nut. Gosh darn, I just want to have a 45 with me while I hike nature trails. I mean, I sure fricken Andy Griffith had one with him while he hiked the trails surrounding Mayberry with Opey. I don't feel like I'm in America anymore.
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Marv, you should teach your kid how to use a sling. Or maybe ninja stars are more appropriate in your case.....I believe he would be genetically disposed to pick that skill up quicker :D
Ninja stars are illegal in California.
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WTF, half of my junior high school friends had them when ninja shit was all the craze in the early 80s.
BTW, are two-handed swords allowed? I trained in medieval two-handed / bastard swords.
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Yup, two handed swords are allowed (Rennaisance Faire) as long as they aren't in a cane or walking stick.
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When I was a kid we made them out of paper
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5300/5511835384_82fdb9508a.jpg)
(http://www.origami-fun.com/images/an-8pointed-transformable-ninja-star-21732078.jpg)
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WTF, half of my junior high school friends had them when ninja shit was all the craze in the early 80s.
BTW, are two-handed swords allowed? I trained in medieval two-handed / bastard swords.
Seriously? Was that completely fun?
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Anaxilus is far from the worst I have witnessed. Besides he actually does make his point in plain English.
The Bill Cosby deposition in the NYT, I could not finish it. The formulations Bill Cosby used to "excuse/explain" himself are things of a terrible nature. Too terrible to read in one go for me.
Women who are victims of abuse are too often neglected at the cost of a deep trauma and perpetrators walking away doing the "Pontius Pilate" which is simply embarrassing and sets dangerous precedents. In the Netherlands this is still a difficult topic. In general abuse is often almost taboo or too difficult to handle for many people and agencies.
It is a good thing that women speak up for themselves, full stop.
I disagree that he's writing in plain english. I think it's more the cowardice of hijacking a thread spewing irrational thought and then not taking responsibility. Maybe gin is involved on his side, but there's no hypocrisy on my part in posting research that shows people rarely, very rarely use a gun in self defense and when they do, there is statistically no better outcome versus any other attempt at self defense in terms of bodily harm they receive and then, in an unrelated thread, posting a woman in the music business' experience of sexual assault while she was unconscious. That's hypocrisy only to someone who can't think.
He also seems to have questioned women's right to vote... I hope alcohol is involved, because that's nuts.
Completely agreed on it being a good thing for women to speak up.
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I wouldn't call it fun, but more of a workout. A friend at a bank I used to work at introduced me to it. He was really one of those really big gentle giants who could hold a big handgun with one arm extended out and shoot with amazing accuracy. He dug up some old medieval manuals and made some training swords out of wood. We sparred a bit using hockey gear for protection, but mainly we drilled on thrusts, slashes, footwork, recovery, combinations. The repertoire of moves is simple - which probably meant that mastery would be difficult.
Those weapons don't need to be sharp to hack someone into two. I am almost positive the weapon was designed to mow down peasants for fun. Very dangerous. I bet they are illegal in CA.
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I disagree that he's writing in plain english. I think it's more the cowardice of hijacking a thread spewing irrational thought and then not taking responsibility. Maybe gin is involved on his side, but there's no hypocrisy on my part in posting research that shows people rarely, very rarely use a gun in self defense and when they do, there is statistically no better outcome versus any other attempt at self defense in terms of bodily harm they receive and then, in an unrelated thread, posting a woman in the music business' experience of sexual assault while she was unconscious. That's hypocrisy only to someone who can't think.
He also seems to have questioned women's right to vote... I hope alcohol is involved, because that's nuts.
Completely agreed on it being a good thing for women to speak up.
Cling to your statistics while ignoring the ones you don't agree with. Usual behavior by such a knight of truth like yourself. Not to mention I already argued against those statistics a few times to which you had no response or argument at all. Statistics require analysis and they have to pass the sniff test especially when they are politically charged, motivated, funded or biased. When your statistics you cling to say a rock is 5% more effective than a gun, I'm going to call BS. Not to mention your stats were very limited and did no discuss lives saved or deaths prevented and did not define 'injury' and what that criteria entails. If I kill an assailant who only stabbed me once and survive, it's better than leaving him alive to stab me 20 times and die. Your statistics don't discriminate the difference.
Or you could just use common sense and/or look at a video of real life. You can link a study saying the sky is yellow but all I have to do is look outside at the sky to know you are full of shit.
Yeah you draw inane generalized extrapolations from the select works of biased accountants hiding behind a desk and I link real word video of real lives being saved by the correct and legal use of a firearm. Who's living in a fantasy world again?
Must be nice to be such a powerful big shot to hide behind your keyboard in your little apartment while cowards like myself go fight terrorists who want to kill stupid people like yourself. You're awesome, I bask in your chiropractic glory. If only the world had your bravery and martyr complex. Whatever they are teaching you with that Balut Maga, it is leading to serious sense of false confidence.
Yeah, you agree that women should speak up. After they get raped. I beleive they should be able to not get raped. Minor difference between us. Congratulations, your Code Pink card is in the mail.
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Before you even understand and learn how to handle a stick, staff or sword you have to learn the stance, footwork and breathing techniques.
Often people look at fencing and only see the weapon. I see a mind that controls a wrist and hand in balancing every aspect before defending or striking. The longer the weapon the more likely it is made for longer distances. Distance can save your life in battle.
Fencing in its various forms learns you things many people overlook in martial arts and self-defence. Regulating footwork and distance while reading your opponent's body language become second nature. One opening or wrong move and you strike...
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This is why stabbing sword arts are generally more effective than slashing or hacking ones. 9/10 times Rapier>Katana.
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This is why stabbing sword arts are generally more effective than slashing or hacking ones. 9/10 times Rapier>Katana.
Roma Invicta mutha fucka
FWIW Kunlun, I do think there should be a basic competence quiz before people cast a vote. But I suppose you're going to say "DAS RACISS"
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@anax You haven't explained your stance that women shouldn't vote.
And thinking that "common sense" should be taken over the facts shown by research is basically our difference. That, and you think women shouldn't vote...
PS I've been accused of being a "realist" and a "historicist" (sic?) by ultra far leftist pro-stalin terrors types, so I annoy crazies on both extremes.
@OJ, look up the old tests southern whites used to use to prevents blacks from voting. But yeah, it's okay in theory, just that we want more participation in the voting process in the U.S., not less. Maybe a test combined with other things so more people vote.
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@anax You haven't explained your stance that women shouldn't vote.
And thinking that "common sense" should be taken over the facts shown by research is basically our difference. That, and you think women shouldn't vote...
1-wtf are you talking about. Stop trolling shit I didn't say.
2- read the fucking posts and stop talking to yourself. or just stfu, whichever works best for you.
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We're agreed on rapier>katana, though.
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So, that's a backpeddle on the women's voting rights? Cool.
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@anax You haven't explained your stance that women shouldn't vote.
I tell that to my wife all the time. I love getting her pissed off to the point where she calls me asshole and uses the F word. Then my son gets in on it and fines her money (she says bad words are bad, and agreed to give him money every time she uses them. I wisely opted out of that arrangement.) so he can spend it on iPad games.
My kids don't say bad words, mainly because I've taught them all the bad words. I love it when my 10 year old daughter stubs her toe and yells "Fuck!"
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So, that's a backpeddle on the women's voting rights? Cool.
No, I think they should be able to vote and defend themselves. I don't think it would be right for you to backpedal on women's suffrage like that.
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What needs to happen is this woman, or her dad, or her brother, should have tracked down Foley before he died and kicked him in the balls and beaten the shit outta him. In fact, maybe Joan Jett should have made it up to her and helped her beat the shit outta Foley. This wanting closure and being able to forgive... it's all bullshit. Nothing heals better than justice, especially extra-judicial justice. I mean WTF... "Fuchs mentioned that the two stayed in touch to an extent after her assault"
Sorry for being totally politically incorrect, but this ain't the Huffington Post.
And BTW, I know several sexual assault victims. Similar stories of how people simply stood around and did nothing. The victims simply wanted justice and to make sure the perpetrators never did it again. The problem is that they are so traumatized they really don't know how to approach it. Beatings on pieces of shit like Foley and shattering his balls tend to discourage such behaviors in the future and in turn provide a lot of healing to the victims. Anger if not properly addressed turns to sorrow, the bad kind of sorrow.
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Nothing heals better than justice, especially extra-judicial justice.
This. Is. Fucking. Truth.
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Anaxilus' words:
"You think you empower women letting them vote"
Part A.
"but don't want them to be trained or have access to a force multiplier to level the playing field against an attacker?"
Part B.
"BS."
Part C.
"People who believe that are the ones waging a war on women. Total hypocrites."
Part D.
I totally agree with Anaxilus. Part A is not denying women anything including voting rights. Part B explains his self-defence argument and Part D explains "BS" in a sentence.
How much more context do you need? I will use a sword metaphor: the most skilled sword fighters can stab and slice before you blink but you perceive neither, you are already hit.
(Practice advanced foil fencing and you will understand the how timing and flexible blades combine stabbing and slicing techniques. Watch fencing slow motion footage in high quality to get an idea! Video URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwHQvMXTTg)
Marvey + 1
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Chris is just being his usual obstinate catlike self. He knows what I said.
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@OJ, look up the old tests southern whites used to use to prevents blacks from voting. But yeah, it's okay in theory, just that we want more participation in the voting process in the U.S., not less. Maybe a test combined with other things so more people vote.
Do we really want "more" participation or do we want better elected candidates?
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Can we automatically disqualify Americans who have pretend relatives in Kenya?
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Can we automatically disqualify Americans who have pretend relatives in Kenya?
Can you please explain what you mean here? Is this an Obama slam that I'mnot getting?
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Can you please explain what you mean here? Is this an Obama slam that I'mnot getting?
Lemme try to explain what I think u r not getting:
(https://i.imgflip.com/50nyf.jpg)
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omg, why did I ask
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Don't want to sound like a jerk or anything, but her name is Jackie Fuchs. I mean she kind of was asking for it.
She should have introduced herself under a different name, don't you think?
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Dude, the noun "der fuchs" comes from German meaning "the fox."
If you are going to use language as an excuse to behave like a sexual predator, fuck you.
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Dude, the noun "der fuch" comes from German meaning "the fox."
If you are going to use language as an excuse to behave like a sexual predator, fuck you.
I thought it meant "fuck me like a piece of meat"
Do I need to actually qualify that post as a troll post?? Seriously?
Back on topic, Anax is correct as usual, that is why my rape dungeon is a gun-free zone.