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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #100 on: July 14, 2015, 08:30:59 PM »

LOL, I compared shit with shit from a shit computer and determined they both sound like shit. Therefore all DACs are shit.

Huzzah! Wait, but the Soundblaster said "Xtreme" on it though. I mean how can it NOT be the best??/?
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #101 on: July 14, 2015, 08:36:20 PM »

http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,711.0.html

TY, I'll reed it and get back to you.

So there's a value to performing other tests rather than just sitting down and looking at dyno numbers and gear ratios. Good, thanks for the backup. Since we have entered the world of failed analogies now, what would be the audio engineering equivalent to a hot lap at Laguna Seca?

Well, all analogies breakdown somewhere because they're not the same thing, but driving blindfolded was your idea...

You know, where an audio device is tested by an engineer in how it performs it's actual function, to render actual recorded music accurately.

Amps and DACs don't care what what the grey matter between some primate's ears interpret a signal as.  It just moves electric charges back and forth.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #102 on: July 14, 2015, 08:47:37 PM »

Huzzah! Wait, but the Soundblaster said "Xtreme" on it though. I mean how can it NOT be the best??/?

It did not say "The Best" because you did not Gillette it. You do not want to Axe yourself...

P.S. Marketing does this to you. The Kotler theory and many marketing cases later I can turn a carrot into a "super food."
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #103 on: July 14, 2015, 09:28:21 PM »

I got food poisoning from a Korean tofu place - third time in five years.


This thread has ended up giving me an even bigger headache.

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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #104 on: July 14, 2015, 09:55:40 PM »

Here's the link:

http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,711.0.html

That looks like fairly good protocol.  Hydrogen audio would probably crucify you for it since it isn't perfect but since not many people who claim to hear this kind of stuff ever actually bother to try a decent test you and Marv deserve some credit.

OTOH, 3 correct and 2 "can't tell" isn't exactly iron clad evidence.

On the third hand, I do understand that this kind of thing is a pain in the ass and that's why you only did 5 trials and why it's so rarely done at all.

If I thought I get enough takers at meets, I'd have the motivation to build a completely automatic ABX switch box, with relays, a screen, and the whole 9 yards but frankly I expect some pretty odd looks and few takers.



Anyway, I didn't mean to turn this thread into a schiit storm.  I usually don't bring up my disagreements about DACs and amps with you guys here because I find the discussion of headphones interesting.  I just wanted to mention the other side and not have a knock down drag out debate with the rest of the pyrates.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #105 on: July 14, 2015, 10:05:09 PM »

If I thought I get enough takers at meets, I'd have the motivation to build a completely automatic ABX switch box, with relays, a screen, and the whole 9 yards but frankly I expect some pretty odd looks and few takers.

I dunno, I suspect a lot of people are curious about shit like this. Take the NPR audio quality thing: not everyone agreed with the method or the validity of the results but a lot of people (here and elsewhere) participated. Maybe it needs to happen so we can start fighting about the testing protocols, and why that is bullshit instead of whatever else just happened. Also, since you apparently have at least three hands, construction and coding should be pretty simple.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #106 on: July 14, 2015, 10:09:12 PM »

LOL! if it's a regular meet, I can see people complaining about meet impressions, noisy settings, peer presure, availability of booze, booth babe distractions, full moon, Jupter and Saturn alignment.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #107 on: July 14, 2015, 10:11:44 PM »

I dunno, I suspect a lot of people are curious about shit like this. Take the NPR audio quality thing: not everyone agreed with the method or the validity of the results but a lot of people (here and elsewhere) participated. Maybe it needs to happen so we can start fighting about the testing protocols, and why that is bullshit instead of whatever else just happened. Also, since you apparently have at least three hands, construction and coding should be pretty simple.

When you put it that way it does sound encouraging.

Maybe I should start planning it out and draw up a BOM...

LOL! if it's a regular meet, I can see people complaining about meet impressions, noisy settings, peer presure, availability of booze, booth babe distractions, full moon, Jupter and Saturn alignment.

On the gripping hand...
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #108 on: July 14, 2015, 10:19:14 PM »

Reading this site, it's easy to get the impression that every single Pirate up here discerns notable differences between DACs. I find it interesting to hear that there are people here who are perhaps less impressed with that idea.  It seems like NwAvGuy and maybe xNor poisoned that well with their rabid arguments. Also, I can understand that these discussions are probably not so interesting to the well seasoned veterans. But for me it's a perspective that I still like to see bandied about occasionally, as long as it doesn't get religious. 
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #109 on: July 14, 2015, 10:27:19 PM »

Reading this site, it's easy to get the impression that every single Pirate up here discerns notable differences between DACs. I find it interesting to hear that there are people here who are perhaps less impressed with that idea.  It seems like NwAvGuy and maybe xNor poisoned that well with their rabid arguments. Also, I can understand that these discussions are probably not so interesting to the well seasoned veterans. But for me it's a perspective that I still like to see bandied about occasionally, as long as it doesn't get religious. 

Not a veteran here, but I think there are just too many things more important than a DAC in a system. DAC IMHO is only more important than the cosmetics of gears. Cables sound different but not necessarily better/worse so I'm leaving cable out of the argument.

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