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Author Topic: Do young people still appreciate critical and analytical thinking and research?  (Read 2286 times)

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Deep Funk

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The reason for this thread is simple.

I am in the second year of my business school's bachelor program, higher education comparable to college. Recently I have finished an analytical report for a project for my project group. I am one of the oldies at 26. The others are ranged between 18 and 25 years old.

In the weeks that I have worked with my group I often told them to paraphrase and mention their information sources. When the deadlines approached I received mostly copy-paste parts of questionable quality and and content. (Some people find even grammar and spell checks to much for school reports.)

Over the weeks I have shared my sources, approach (with regards to the topic) and methodology (with regards to the analyses models and tools) for the report. In the final editing days I had to rewrite almost everything and re-check the information used. I am exhausted...

This is not the first time that I had to edit and fix reports from the ground up. It is the last time for me though. 

Why is it that the young people I often encounter do not appreciate critical thinking, analytical thinking and research?

Seriously, our future depends on it for the mess the baby boomers (among others) have left. No words.   
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In the eyes of most, you are still one of these "young people". Even though it might not feel that way, the amount of mental and emotional growth people undergo between the ages of 18 to 25 is very substantial. So don't fall into that "get off my lawn" mentality so early. It'll make you senile.

I've been privileged to have attended and graduated from a school widely considered by most ranking bodies to be amongst the top ten universities in the world. When I graduated high school, I thought I was an academic hotshot. I thought I'd developed enough analytical skills by the time I graduated high school, but it was in college where I really learned how to break apart and figure things out in the most methodical way possible. Looking back, I had no idea what I was doing as a freshman and sophomore in college, and really, it didn't all fall into place for me until I graduated college and had to apply my skill sets to things that were seemingly disparate from what I'd studied. So, give these "kids" a chance. You weren't always this way.

Furthermore, technology has vastly altered the way we think and operate, especially over the past decade or so. I moonlight as an instructor for SAT/AP courses in Math/Science, and at times I'm flabbergasted by their ADHD demeanor, and how dependent these "late millenials" are on their smartphones. However, accompanying the rise of the internet is an exponential rise in information quantity. Sifting through knowledge and data these days intrinsically requires an analytical thought process that transcends research a priori. These "youngsters" will have to, for better or for worse, learn to cope with unfathomably large data sets, and frankly they've been doing it since they were kids. Learning as a process is vastly different from the way even our generation (i.e. "early millenials") did it. In that sense, the onus is on us to figure out the logic behind these kids' seemingly chaotic thinking. We will end up meeting halfway.
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Some people hope they die before they get old. I see that you're looking to get old before you're old.

As one of the true ancients (27yo here) that's my advice to you.

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I just think they have the "get it over and done with, fuck this shit" mentality. Some just take school for granted you know? Fortunately in my time in technical college, I rarely have to QC/redo a project because of incompetency/attitude issues.

The only issue I see with my peers despite their amazing ability(compared to mine) is their lack of creativity or a flexible approach in coming up with solutions when a group of us was attached to an engineering firm. They tend to go by the book more.
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Unfortunately people are very rarely taught to think. Most education, including post-secondary, is focused almost entirely on content memorization.  Testing is done using multiple choice, true/false, and other easy to grade questions which only encourages knowing the answer and not how you got there. It is very rare to find educational institutions who truly develop critical thinking and analysis skills. In fact, if asked to do such a thing most people will resist because it is much harder to think than to memorize a textbook and regurgitate the information on an exam.   Some people will inevitably figure out critical thinking and analysis skills, but the education system is failing the vast majority of the population bu focusing on the wrong things.

It also has nothing to do with age, which I am sure you will figure out once you enter the business world and start having to deal with stupid people of all ages. Take it from another 26 year old, always remember that your critical thinking and analysis skills are giving you a distinct advantage in life...it makes it much easier to deal with  :)
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I am in a bachelor degree in Quebec and i have the same problem. Last semester in a group work, i've received from a student 15 pages of text, 1 paragraph, no footnote or anything, and at least 450 errors when i checked it. That problem is everywhere. By the way, my first language is french.  p;)
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This is the same discussion that old(er) people have about young(er) people every generation.

Yes, young people still value these things if they are taught to value these things.

I teach a high school section of Advanced Calculus (essentially a Calculus III course offered at most universities).  If you ever want to feel better about our youth, or the security of our future, come sit in on one of my classes.  These young people are outstanding.  And there are a lot more like them out there.  Their critical-thinking skills are far beyond that of the majority of adults I know. 

I WILL say that research skills are diminishing, and you can thank standardized testing for this.  Most teachers only have so many hours in the day, and with such high-stake testing that does not focus on any aspect of research, it's natural that teachers have started to shift their focus.  Against their will, of course.  At our school, we are currently talking about this deficiency and how it can be addressed.

But, with students like those that I mentioned above, they will develop these skills in college and be just fine. 
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I agree with Skyline here, but latelly i don't see kids playing outside at all.
Little children walk home from school faces in their smartphones. Not so long ago when i was little we used to do snow ball fights, play in parents cars, and fight with each other, do stuff that was not strictly allowed, but what should be part of groing up.

As the saying goes young generations are always doomed. There was the age of TV, then the era of videogaming. Now its the era of Facebook, and 9gag.
Hard to say if this era is worse than the previous ones.
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Some people hope they die before they get old. I see that you're looking to get old before you're old.

As one of the true ancients (27yo here) that's my advice to you.



Whatever I am, I am what I do. Some people I have met told me a similar thing. Who knows?

I come from a religious family where I was always told yet at the same time I was too curious. I was that twelve year old kid who read about philosophy in his spare time and I loved it. After years of religious and politically correct "because I/they say so" I left all of it behind. I went to church regularly until I was fifteen mind you. I simply detested organised religion at one point.


I am willing to adapt to society. I am not willing to give in to stupidity for I have been there.

Either way I still have much to learn. I simply detest the anti-intellectual, anti-critical and "research is so TL;DR" attitudes of some people I have to work with. Life goes on, that matters... 
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I tend to think they have this mindset because of how results-driven the current education system is.

It does not promote students to seek out projects, pursue them, and get something to the finish line. They tend to be more like... "do this, don't ask why, and accept the results". This greatly diminishes students' interests in doing any research or critical thinking...

And sadly, there is no changing it.

Here's a prime example: if your GPA is not 3.0, they don't care even if you are running a successful computer business from a garage (Apple Inc.?), you will never be admitted to one of the Universities of California.

Since grades are so important, students are instead more interested in getting better grades by completing small menial tasks (making sure homework is done, reports are done, tests are taken, etc...) rather than by perfecting any of those tasks.

This doesn't have much to do with stupidity, I don't think, but rather that young folks these days are taught to simply forget perfecting something, and instead getting more done. It's the "quantity" that they care about here. Not "quality".
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