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Author Topic: Do young people still appreciate critical and analytical thinking and research?  (Read 2286 times)

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I was in the business administration undergrad at a small commuter school. Most of us were either daft, lazy, have yet to cultivate a decent work ethic, don't take things serious enough, or are just terrible with regards to employment/school balance.

I was an idiot with poor work ethic. Procrastinated on exams, rarely did homework assignments, couldn't do proper research whatsoever, didn't really know why I was in college other than it being preferable to stocking items at Walmart. Mind you, I didn't particularly care to live past my teens in those days. Still, I did well in my later years, mostly because my work ethic improved over time (choosing to take the hardest core classes senior year may have had something to do with it) and because my peers were failing so miserably.

I remember in Financial Management, of which I was one of the few non-Finance majors, the bulk of the class was doing so poorly that the professor had to throw out numerous "extra credit" assignments to mitigate the damage. Half of those students didn't show up to class outside of exam day. Interesting to see all these new faces. I'm sure some had their reasons (my parents helped with paying for college, as well as loans), but more than a few just didn't give a shit. "C's get degrees" I'd learn, many of them had jobs already lined up once they got their paper- an uncle at GE and the like.

That said, I had a lot of classmates who were straight up stupid. Just... I wouldn't trust them to be my retail cashier. They also tended to be the most pompous and two-faced. At least one was on scholarship.

Funnily enough, I became better at critical thinking, writing, analyzing after college- mostly because I started to read books for leisure. If I could go back and do it again.... well, I'd pick a different major, but I don't think I'd do worse.
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I was in the business administration undergrad at a small commuter school. Most of us were either daft, lazy, have yet to cultivate a decent work ethic, don't take things serious enough, or are just terrible with regards to employment/school balance.

I was an idiot with poor work ethic. Procrastinated on exams, rarely did homework assignments, couldn't do proper research whatsoever, didn't really know why I was in college other than it being preferable to stocking items at Walmart. Mind you, I didn't particularly care to live past my teens in those days. Still, I did well in my later years, mostly because my work ethic improved over time (choosing to take the hardest core classes senior year may have had something to do with it) and because my peers were failing so miserably.

I remember in Financial Management, of which I was one of the few non-Finance majors, the bulk of the class was doing so poorly that the professor had to throw out numerous "extra credit" assignments to mitigate the damage. Half of those students didn't show up to class outside of exam day. Interesting to see all these new faces. I'm sure some had their reasons (my parents helped with paying for college, as well as loans), but more than a few just didn't give a shit. "C's get degrees" I'd learn, many of them had jobs already lined up once they got their paper- an uncle at GE and the like.

That said, I had a lot of classmates who were straight up stupid. Just... I wouldn't trust them to be my retail cashier. They also tended to be the most pompous and two-faced. At least one was on scholarship.

Funnily enough, I became better at critical thinking, writing, analyzing after college- mostly because I started to read books for leisure. If I could go back and do it again.... well, I'd pick a different major, but I don't think I'd do worse.

Most of the people I work with in my current project group are like the younger you. For the last project report that meant investing a full time week in the final edit. There was so much copy-paste and text without sources that I had to start from zero again despite the preparations.

My project counsellor wants a small revision. That is the last I do and bye bye project group. I am not going to continue salvaging project reports... 
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I have worked with some very bright people, and almost all the dumbos have been senior to me. You know, the IT-director types who can barely manage to get a mouse pointer from one side of the screen to another, cover their ignorance with bullshit, get promoted by bullshitters, buy from bullshitters.
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In a job situation I would have used different tactics.

This is a school situation. My wage or salary is not on the line here. I need peace and quiet to enjoy studying again. People who think research and analysis projects are click-click and TL;DR become an obstacle at one point.   
« Last Edit: April 12, 2015, 03:49:56 PM by Deep Funk »
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Why is it that some of the least qualified and incompetent people end up in upper management at so many workplaces? And somehow the rest of us manage to keep the thing from falling apart. Usually. It's like a real life version of "The Office", yeah right I'm gonna need you to   :vomit:
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I'm guessing promotions tend to place significantly more weight on personal relationships than workplace effort. In some places, at least.

Hey, I had to leave an internship because the Director's close friend threatened to kill me a few times, nearly tried in my first week, denigrated me on a regular basis, sexually harassed the female employees, and did as little work as humanly possible, even taking the opportunity to sabotage the office computers just so he'd have an excuse to sit there. He was still an employee months after I was gone, and all his terrorizing had come to light.

I dodged a bullet in hindsight.
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Why is it that some of the least qualified and incompetent people end up in upper management at so many workplaces? And somehow the rest of us manage to keep the thing from falling apart. Usually. It's like a real life version of "The Office", yeah right I'm gonna need you to   :vomit:

Emotional intelligence is the new "new-speak" for "really good with people."

In management people are either task or people oriented. To be both is great. Usually the people oriented employees are better at building relationships which I have seen plenty of times.

One time I simply stared down a manager whose only skill was to wear a suit and make friends. He had fucked up his job so badly that I and another colleague had worked 60 plus hours for about two weeks in a row to keep operations going. The management knew this and kept him on for appearances. I looked at him and he cowered.

He left because he had fucked up. I left because I needed a break and a different place to work.       
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I'd hate to give the impression I never fucked up. Oh, I did... often.

I'll always remember the call from the packing department: "These are Christmas cards, right? But they say "Happy Birthday" inside."

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But I didn't try to cover it all up with bullshit. I never had that knack anyway.
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To make a mistake or fail is human.

To deny it when the witnesses still present can clearly you say you did it is stupid. Sometimes the best damage control is a simple apology.
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Yes I remember when I first heard "emotional intelligence" that along with multiple intelligences and "people can grow into a job, even if they are incompetent at first". Yeah, uh no. The rest of us have to deal with them as they try to grow. It's like if I put my mind to it I can grow to 7 feet 2 inches and play in the NBA.  :)p13 poo

An apology when you screw up does more to move past the problem than anything I have seen.
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