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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2013, 07:35:09 AM »

Another thing, because of the Jergpads, genre selection is further increased. Before with the HE-500, all I listened to was Classical, Jazz, Acoustic, and Rock. Now with the Jergpads, Rap & Hip-Hop is now enjoyable. Before, it sounded a bit too thin and bass didn't hit hard enough.
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2013, 11:11:08 PM »

Well, either my variant of Jergpads v1 went terribly bad somehow, or I'm allergic to that 2 kHz cut. I'd love a reference set of pads for comparison, but I'm considering offloading these HE-500 onto someone else, because Paradox is so much better - both after equalization.
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2013, 11:47:56 PM »

Well, either my variant of Jergpads v1 went terribly bad somehow, or I'm allergic to that 2 kHz cut. I'd love a reference set of pads for comparison, but I'm considering offloading these HE-500 onto someone else, because Paradox is so much better - both after equalization.

Do you have some photos of the modded pads (especially the damping holes)?

Also try to describe what feels subjectively wrong with the sound after the modded pads, try not to reference to the measurements.
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2013, 10:44:06 PM »

Ok, too small hole surface area and too thin material for backvent. Yes, I've messed up and ended with undampened pleather pads. Obviously yuck.
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2013, 09:09:19 PM »

Hmm, got something closer to the end result. Let's call it Jerg pads 1.5 - steps 1, 2 and 4 with slightly different hole placement and thin tape instead of "whole".
Got rid of the screen and that silly plastic band holding the pad on the mounting ring.

Result is quite hefty subbass, closer to linear, laid back but with some nasal tonality. Much smoother sound. The weird 8.5k hole is not correctable though - perhaps the velour top mod would help with that. Equalized it's marvelous, especially the bass. Very hard to pick between it and equalized Paradox - it slightly wins on subbass and absolute extension and a bit better soundstage I think.


Of course Paradox seems way easier to equalize. Anyway, I'll add the #3 mod later - perhaps it will remove the uneq'd nasal feeling and simplify the equalization.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 11:15:42 PM by AstralStorm »
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2013, 12:09:32 AM »

Hmm, got something closer to the end result. Let's call it Jerg pads 1.5 - steps 1, 2 and 4 with slightly different hole placement and thin tape instead of "whole".
Got rid of the screen and that silly plastic band holding the pad on the mounting ring.

Result is quite hefty subbass, closer to linear, laid back but with some nasal tonality. Much smoother sound. The weird 8.5k hole is not correctable though - perhaps the velour top mod would help with that. Equalized it's marvelous, especially the bass. Very hard to pick between it and equalized Paradox - it slightly wins on subbass and absolute extension and a bit better soundstage I think.


Of course Paradox seems way easier to equalize. Anyway, I'll add the #3 mod later - perhaps it will remove the uneq'd nasal feeling and simplify the equalization.

What's your goal with the HE500s anyway? To make them as close to perfectly neutral as you can?

IMO instead of brute-forcing it like this, you're much better off picking up some HE5LE or HE6 (which have significantly more neutral measurements).

HE500 is not meant to be neutral, it is supposed to be a warm lush sound with a sweet treble serving to be the response to Audeze's LCD2.
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2013, 05:48:46 PM »

It still remains lush and warm tonally, but is now truly diffuse-field equalized. For instance, it's warmer, smoother and better extended in subbass than equalized Paradox. Slightly better at microdetailing too, except in bass. As you can see, I'm actually cutting highs most of the time.
That 8.5kHz notch baffles me as much as the next guy. The difference in tonality amounts to a stronger central focus and slightly wider soundstage as well as removal of the slight nasal tone.

The 1.5k dip is probably the same one as Purrin's 2k dip, except frequency shifted - this is a different pair. It's only ~6 dB.

Generally, with Jergpads and equalized, they remind me of a certain large 2-way DIY monitors, except yet better at bass. (Crossfeed obviously enabled.)
« Last Edit: March 13, 2013, 06:25:22 PM by AstralStorm »
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2013, 06:24:05 PM »

What reference do you use for EQing astral (pink noise, equal-loudness sines, etc)?
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2013, 06:25:53 PM »

Many sine tones at -6 dBFS straight out of Foobar2000. General loudness is precalibrated  to comfortable levels (like a normal talk) by listening to EBU R128 loudness compensated audiobooks and radio talks. (with reference level also set to -6 dBFS instead of default -12 dBFS)
I also use a tone sweep from a VST to find the exact widths of peaks/dips.

Reference is loudness of a 500 Hz sine tone.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2013, 06:38:11 PM by AstralStorm »
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Re: Jerg HE500 pads
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2013, 07:49:56 PM »

Many sine tones at -6 dBFS straight out of Foobar2000. General loudness is precalibrated  to comfortable levels (like a normal talk) by listening to EBU R128 loudness compensated audiobooks and radio talks. (with reference level also set to -6 dBFS instead of default -12 dBFS)
I also use a tone sweep from a VST to find the exact widths of peaks/dips.

Reference is loudness of a 500 Hz sine tone.

Wow. I just use my ears.  :D
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