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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #270 on: August 05, 2015, 09:40:05 PM »

MC cart, until you realize that a better tonearm is needed to take advantage of the resolution of cart that you choose, then pre-amp since you realize your old pre-amp was crap, then you start hearing motor and/or bearing noise which means better table (motor, bearings), then you realize you need better blackness, so a precision motor to control RPM or a massive plinth and/or platter. Then you realize you need special wires from the cart to your phono-pre. Then you want super expensive transformers on your phono-pre to get the last bits of low-level information. Then you start all over again.

I do not recommend taking the path of vinyl.

Also, you'll discover your own preferences and hit dead-ends were you will need to do turn-arounds: direct drive or belt drive, long or not so long tonearms or linear tracking, heavy or light tonearms, appropriate carts to go with the tonearms, suspension or heavy mass, etc. There are advantages and disadvantages to each approach. Some approaches start off better, but don't scale as much once you get into uber-land.

Hahaha. Vinyl is unquestionably a rabbit hole that one can easily fall down and hit the bottom with an empty wallet. That doesn't have to be the case though. A Yggdrasil is $2300, and even though it appears to be a stone cold bargain compared to most of the silly priced uber level DACs out there, that's still a fairly significant chunk of change.

For $2300, you could get a fully restored/modernized Thorens TD-160, an AT33-PTG/II, and a Lehmann Black Cube Phono pre. It won't kill everything in its path the way a Yggdrasil might, but you'd have to spend some pretty big bucks to genuinely beat it, say $3500+. Those old Thorens belt drives punch way above modern comparably priced tables, the 33-PTG/II is a super star, and the Black Cube is very capable for a cheap MM/MC preamp.

Also, if you're like me and you listen to rock and metal from the '70s through present day, I absolutely recommend going vinyl. For one thing, just about everything "mainstream" released on CD post 1993 sounds like shit. 
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #271 on: August 06, 2015, 02:37:43 PM »

Agree.  Vinyl is a bitch to setup properly and maintain.  On top of that it's horribly expensive.

But, in return, you get access to a large library of music which has NEVER been released in digital, some of which is EXCEPTIONALLY good.  On top of this, vinyl masters tend to be superior to their digital counterparts.

Personally, I would let your taste in music make the decision.  If you primarily listen to genres like classic rock, classical - or like me - latin music then yes getting a nice analog front end and a good ADC (cause you are going to be doing needledrops) is absolutely in your best interest.

That said, get your digital sorted first!
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #272 on: August 07, 2015, 01:38:37 AM »


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have you heard one? does it live up to the hype?
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #273 on: August 07, 2015, 03:16:45 AM »

A Rega P3 with good Audio Technica cartridge playing all-analog recordings should sound killer and not break the bank.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #274 on: August 07, 2015, 03:23:47 AM »

A Rega P3 with good Audio Technica cartridge playing all-analog recordings should sound killer and not break the bank.


Well yeah when you have mono block 2a3 tube phonos of course that's more than enough  facepalm :-DD
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #275 on: August 07, 2015, 03:54:53 AM »

have you heard one? does it live up to the hype?

Nope. My guess though is probably not, or at least isn't worth the money unless you're going to be building the plinth yourself rather than spending thousands on a pre-made one. I think idlers went away for a reason.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #276 on: August 07, 2015, 05:10:27 AM »

I'd like to weigh in here a bit....

If you are into the convenience factor, digital should be pursued.  It can sound very very good, but vinyl.....
Vinyl will help you realize that everything digital is just an approximation of what you are hearing.  I enjoy both.  If I had to pick just one, it would be a vinyl setup any day of my musical life.

Pursue vinyl, consult friends, people who know what can be achieved, listen to different setups, learn, learn and learn.  Then pick your table, arm, phono cart, phono stage, interconnect and life is better than good!

I write this post from a very tranquil mindset while listening to the new Roger Waters - Amused to Death reissue from Analog Productions.  Digital does NOT do this sound/feeling.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #277 on: August 07, 2015, 11:40:20 AM »

Shaizada pretty much nails the eternal question. My digital rig is excellent but my analog one plays real music.

Speaking of which I use a Garrard 401 with external motor controller, huge plinth and great arms and carts, it is the epicenter of my system. Yes it is worth investing on those old idler TTs! If someone wants details and tips on how to set up something similar will gladly provide em
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #278 on: August 07, 2015, 06:42:19 PM »

Speaking of which I use a Garrard 401 with external motor controller, huge plinth and great arms and carts, it is the epicenter of my system. Yes it is worth investing on those old idler TTs! If someone wants details and tips on how to set up something similar will gladly provide em

Cool. Have you ever compared it to a modern belt drive like a Nottingham or Dr. Feickert?
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #279 on: August 07, 2015, 08:08:36 PM »

Shaizada pretty much nails the eternal question. My digital rig is excellent but my analog one plays real music.

Speaking of which I use a Garrard 401 with external motor controller, huge plinth and great arms and carts, it is the epicenter of my system. Yes it is worth investing on those old idler TTs! If someone wants details and tips on how to set up something similar will gladly provide em

I need to get an idler wheel table at some point...going to hear a fully restored, perfect Garrard 301 next week, Fidelity research FR-64s tonearm and Ortofon SPU cartridge.  Maybe I can contact you after I wrap my head around the sound of that table, which I've heard is VERY VERY special!
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