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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #280 on: August 07, 2015, 09:31:35 PM »

I'm very curious to hear what you think. The Artisan Fidelity Garrards are certainly gorgeous, but as with so many of these classics, it can be hard to separate what's hype from what's actually real.

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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #281 on: August 08, 2015, 01:34:55 AM »

Save your pennies for an EMT?  (should only take a dump trucks worth or so for a prime EMT 927....  :)p13)
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #282 on: August 08, 2015, 04:00:03 AM »

Man that Artisan Fidelity Garrard makes me drool every time I see it!!   :-0

In the meantime, this is the latest addition to the analog family in my setup.  I don't think I posted it here on Changstar...pardon me if I did already (Townshend Rock 7, Helius Silver Ruby Tonearm, Merlin 3 DC Power Supply, Van Den Hul Grasshopper III GLA MC Cartridge):





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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #283 on: August 09, 2015, 10:30:24 AM »

Never actually heard an Artisan Garrard as they are mostly sold in the US, the looks are gorgeous. Have some things that don't convince me 100% like the tonearm base which in my eyes offers limited path to resonance draining .

Will post some pics of my behemoth when back from the sea..
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #284 on: August 09, 2015, 11:18:07 PM »

So I've been testing a bunch of things and trying to figure it out. Unfortunately, changing vinyl setups is a ton of work and most of the stuff I have is low-money, which can sound awesome, but it means I'm only hearing a small section of what's available. But, I've come to conclusions.

1: All of the preamps I've tried (including an EC preamp) have noticeable noise floor when I turn up the volume to some normal but louder listening volumes (gonna guess somewhere between 70 and 90db). This is when I haven't plugged in the table yet. Maybe there's a better way to solve it.

2: The Ortofon 2M Black is an awesome cartridge. While I like the AT440MLA and I'll keep it setup on my other table, the Ortofon has some great bass extension and resolution and isn't as bright as the AT. The EC preamp really opened things up and made a difference, but the TCC-750 and the Rega TT were surprisingly capable.

3: Preamps make a bigger difference to vinyl's sound than amps, though I'd say on par with DACs, having recently compared a bunch of amps recently

4: Marv is right, it seems like there isn't a consistent upgrade path, there are like 4 going in different directions. In fact, I was thinking of how a tube preamp might sound and I thought to get the resolution I'd need, I'd probably want a great transformer, like the one in the Studio an then I realized I was $$$$ in the hole and I hadn't even bought a $$$$ tone arm, a $$$$ cart or a $$$$ table. It'd be nice if it was a bit more settled like everyone is with the HD800,HD650,HE-6,Stax-something and the UERM.

5: You sure can get a lot of table for $$: My AT440MLA w/ Technics SL-1200 Mk II sounds pretty great out of the TCC-750. And with the power mod, I bet it'd sound even better. I wonder if I'd like a MC cart like the Denon 103R even more.

Also, I'm super curious to try a MC cart as I've only tried MM carts. I'm hoping it will be less likely to pop and click which drives me crazy.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #285 on: August 09, 2015, 11:33:35 PM »

FWIW, I find myself fairly settled on the analog side of things. I do have a tubed phono pre on my mind but that'll be a lengthier project that can wait. My 1200 + 440MLa delivers excellent sound that really puts the spotlight on the source material rather than itself. In that spirit I'm going to focus on finding that content and enjoying it. Crazy right?
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #286 on: August 09, 2015, 11:38:30 PM »

Actually, all of this testing has made me feel pretty happy with the Rega/Ortofon setup as my main. I am curious about the sound of a tube preamp and an MC cart though.

The number one thing I'd like to change is to have less pops and clicks with my records. I have a little cleaning brush but it seems to do nothing.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #287 on: August 10, 2015, 01:08:34 AM »

The weakness of the 2M Black is that it tends to accentuate surface noise.  Otherwise, great cart.  I really liked mine while I was using it.

Once you have enough records to justify the expense a vacuum type cleaning system like Nitty Gritty or VPI 16.5 is no brainer and will make every record you own better in terms of surface noise and dynamics.  In the meantime, find someone local who has one and borrow it! ;)
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #288 on: August 10, 2015, 01:53:23 AM »

So I've been testing a bunch of things and trying to figure it out. Unfortunately, changing vinyl setups is a ton of work and most of the stuff I have is low-money, which can sound awesome, but it means I'm only hearing a small section of what's available. But, I've come to conclusions.

1: All of the preamps I've tried (including an EC preamp) have noticeable noise floor when I turn up the volume to some normal but louder listening volumes (gonna guess somewhere between 70 and 90db). This is when I haven't plugged in the table yet. Maybe there's a better way to solve it.

3: Preamps make a bigger difference to vinyl's sound than amps, though I'd say on par with DACs, having recently compared a bunch of amps recently

4: Marv is right, it seems like there isn't a consistent upgrade path, there are like 4 going in different directions. In fact, I was thinking of how a tube preamp might sound and I thought to get the resolution I'd need, I'd probably want a great transformer, like the one in the Studio an then I realized I was $$$$ in the hole and I hadn't even bought a $$$$ tone arm, a $$$$ cart or a $$$$ table. It'd be nice if it was a bit more settled like everyone is with the HD800,HD650,HE-6,Stax-something and the UERM.

5: You sure can get a lot of table for $$: My AT440MLA w/ Technics SL-1200 Mk II sounds pretty great out of the TCC-750. And with the power mod, I bet it'd sound even better. I wonder if I'd like a MC cart like the Denon 103R even more.

Also, I'm super curious to try a MC cart as I've only tried MM carts. I'm hoping it will be less likely to pop and click which drives me crazy.

I'm going to guess that at least most of these preamps are using low grade DC wall-wart power supplies? Good power is critical for a quiet phonostage. These things have to apply 30-60+dB of gain to a tiny signal, and that's just not easy to do, especially with a $10 wall-wart. I wish there was a miracle $100 phono pre, but there just isn't. There's no way to cheat, you just have to do the engineering and spend on parts, and that ultimately costs money. My phono pre, retail, costs about what my turntable retails for. I got mine second hand, but it still wasn't cheap - same price as a Yggdrasil.

Surface noise is a function of the individual cart and its stylus profile, not MM vs MC. The 2M Black's Shibata is NOT a forgiving stylus, either of VTA or of surface cleanliness. Get yourself a good record cleaning machine, they are absolutely worth it. A brush and a bit of cleaning fluid is simply no substitute.

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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #289 on: August 10, 2015, 02:29:06 AM »

I definitely have enough records at this point (~200 or so and ever growing), so it's probably time to invest in a cleaner. I'll give the Nitty Gritty/VPI a look. Thanks!
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