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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2012, 08:18:30 PM »
Quote from: purrin on September 02, 2012, 09:28:00 PM
Let me know if it's missing anything.
O2 + ODAC.
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2012, 08:25:39 PM »
The release of a flavor of the month "reference grade" lackluster headphone tends to carry a lot of momentum. It is difficult not to be aggressive if this momentum is to be contained in an effective and timely fashion in order to prevent consumers from falling in yet another marketing scam. IMO it is also part of the process of sending a clear message to manufacturer that overpriced lackluster products are unacceptable and will indeed be negatively received.
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2012, 08:33:38 PM »
Tyll, that was a very elegant and balanced approach to giving directions to the pirate lair, well done sir!  :)p1

(and I'm amazed at your tolerance of the asshole who's trolling the phonak review comments)
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2012, 08:39:34 PM »
NwAvGuy didn't last long, I think his negativity hurt him.

"While I think the tone and focus of attention there may sometimes be too negative and critical to be consistently constructive,"

I wouldn't call that to terribly critical. Again, I have a different roll to play. I need to remain in a position where I can be positively influential with manufacturers on a variety of levels.

You guys don't have to.

Quote from: anetode on September 11, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
(and I'm amazed at your tolerance of the asshole who's trolling the phonak review comments)

Yeah, well, I've got Dalethorn too.  He's way worse in my book. My skin is pretty thick.
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2012, 08:45:59 PM »
Quote from: Tyll Hertsens on September 11, 2012, 08:39:34 PM
NwAvGuy didn't last long, I think his negativity hurt him.

"While I think the tone and focus of attention there may sometimes be too negative and critical to be consistently constructive,"

I wouldn't call that to terribly critical. Again, I have a different roll to play. I need to remain in a position where I can be positively influential with manufacturers on a variety of levels.

You guys don't have to.

That is  understandable.

Quote from: Tyll Hertsens on September 11, 2012, 08:39:34 PM
Quote from: anetode on September 11, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
(and I'm amazed at your tolerance of the asshole who's trolling the phonak review comments)

Yeah, well, I've got Dalethorn too.  He's way worse in my book. My skin is pretty thick.


LOL! I recall 13mh13 got special IF recognition here: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/about-innerfidelity#comment-483306
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2012, 09:55:55 PM »
Quote from: Tyll Hertsens on September 11, 2012, 08:39:34 PM
NwAvGuy didn't last long, I think his negativity hurt him.

What do you mean with "didn't last long"? He's not being paid or anything for what he does, so until he throws the towel himself on doing reviews / new designs I don't see how he could stop lasting.

I think his unyielding honesty, or as you call it negativity, has made him known in like every headphone forum. And don't you think the O2 and ODAC are a small step in the right direction? I mean, 'cmon, manufacturers sell stuff that clips below 0 dBFS, their specs are lies ... How can something be considered hi-fi without measurements that prove that in fact the product performs as suggested by the specs / price?

Honestly, some products are so bad they deserve no sugarcoating.. If you think about it, there's no place to sugarcoat things with DAC/amp measurements except for the performance/price ratio, aesthetics etc.
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2012, 10:11:49 PM »
Good read, Tyll. I liked your take on the state of the hobby, as well -- very concise summary of where we are now in a historical context.

I think I'd disagree on the point that this place is overly negative in tone. This is a close-knit community with a certain level of mutual respect that creates an atmosphere that can foster constructive discussions -- conversations that would otherwise turn to name-calling and flame wars on other forums. There's also a good deal of passion and praise towards products that we all tend to like. But I do concede, that there is a certain element of brutal honesty that may not be everyone's cup of tea. This brutal honesty can come off to some like an angry mob, but in actuality, we don't take ourselves too seriously.  :)p1
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2012, 10:13:53 PM »
Quote from: johnny on September 11, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
What do you mean with "didn't last long"? He's not being paid or anything for what he does, so until he throws the towel himself on doing reviews / new designs I don't see how he could stop lasting.

I think his unyielding honesty, or as you call it negativity, has made him known in like every headphone forum. And don't you think the O2 and ODAC are a small step in the right direction? I mean, 'cmon, manufacturers sell stuff that clips below 0 dBFS, their specs are lies ... How can something be considered hi-fi without measurements that prove that in fact the product performs as suggested by the specs / price?

Honestly, some products are so bad they deserve no sugarcoating.. If you think about it, there's no place to sugarcoat things with DAC/amp measurements except for the performance/price ratio, aesthetics etc.

Johnny, respectfully, this document is a kind of summary of the opinion of the senior members on this forum.  You can't expect to just show up, disregard the forum's welcome policy, and have a say in this opinion.  You are welcome here but you have to be part of this community first.  Read this welcome message please. 
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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2012, 10:17:20 PM »
Quote from: johnny on September 11, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: Tyll Hertsens on September 11, 2012, 08:39:34 PM
NwAvGuy didn't last long, I think his negativity hurt him.

What do you mean with "didn't last long"? He's not being paid or anything for what he does, so until he throws the towel himself on doing reviews / new designs I don't see how he could stop lasting.

He hasn't posted since May 9.

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I think his unyielding honesty, or as you call it negativity, has made him known in like every headphone forum.

It's making a difference in what people who manufacture that counts. He's had some effect, but he's not broadly enough read to have a significant effect.

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And don't you think the O2 and ODAC are a small step in the right direction?

Yes, maybe more than a small step. But in the grand scheme of things, he's gotta keep working it to make a difference.

Quote from: Questhate on September 11, 2012, 10:11:49 PM
But I do concede, that there is a certain element of brutal honesty that may not be everyone's cup of tea. This brutal honesty can come off to some like an angry mob, but in actuality, we don't take ourselves too seriously.  :)p1

It's not how people on the inside take it, it's how you effect the rest of world that counts if you're going to have an influence. Again, I think what's going on here is quite natural under the circumstances. I've got very little problem with it in and of itself. It's really more of a question of how effective y'all can be towards changing manufacturers trends.

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Re: State of the Headphone Hobby September 2012
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2012, 10:19:24 PM »
Quote from: johnny on September 11, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
What do you mean with "didn't last long"? He's not being paid or anything for what he does, so until he throws the towel himself on doing reviews / new designs I don't see how he could stop lasting.

It's tough work to be the audio messiah. I think in his case what started out as hypervigilance and moral outrage at the hifi industry turned into a sort of dogmatic drive. Which I can understand, he needed to get something off his chest. But I bet he wasn't expecting to engage in an escalation of countersnipe arguments turned character attacks and he simply didn't know when to stop or how to choose his targets. By the time he was publishing tracts he had (not entirely inadvertently) attracted a sycophantic following. If you've ever read a history book you know that things go downhill from there no matter how good of a DAC you design.
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