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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #80 on: July 28, 2015, 01:29:51 PM »

You guys leave my Audio Technica alone.  :)p15
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #81 on: July 28, 2015, 02:43:41 PM »

HD650 drivers in an AT frame...

Should be pretty comfy.

There's another experiment I'll never get around to actually trying.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #82 on: July 28, 2015, 03:41:29 PM »

What ever it means if the headphones were made in the Netherlands and you would have written "delivered by people who wear wooden shoes" or "as good as their cheese" I would have had a small chuckle.

How to get out of purgatory: sell all the mid-fi gear, save up for a HD800 and keep a KSC75/35/Portapro. The HD800 with system is attainable.

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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #83 on: July 28, 2015, 05:52:44 PM »

A flowchart for myself would just be a picture of an HD650 (w/ slight mods, even better). I'm sure there are headphones that do some other technical aspects better, but I'm not sure I'd find something that checks almost every box I care about. That is, nothing quite as balanced overall for my needs and tastes. Rather, whatever annoys me the least over time. Then build a rig around that. I wish I could go back in time and just tell myself to save up money, buy that, and build around it.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #84 on: August 03, 2015, 02:16:20 AM »

...whatever annoys me the least over time.

You hit the bullseye.

Also everyone please spare a thought for those of us who live in places noisy enough that open backed 'phones are simply impractical.  For example sometimes I quit playing GTA and notice that the sound of sirens, shouting and a helicopter overhead didn't stop cos it's for real.

So I guess my flow chart starts at similar place as the original (Koss and such like) but then diverges totally and heads towards IEMs and closed back headphones.  With reference to the thread title: I am a member of the Good Honest White English* Person Community (also known here in southern England as a particularly stubborn ethnic minority).



*England is where they actually invented white people.  We exported them all around the world for centuries but apparently market conditions fluctuated and no fucker wants us any more.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #85 on: August 03, 2015, 05:07:18 AM »

whatever annoys me the least over time. Then build a rig around that. I wish I could go back in time and just tell myself to save up money, buy that, and build around it.

I bet this is the fundamental explanation behind the trend in the re-buying thread, as it applies to HD600 and 650.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2015, 08:57:39 AM »

This is my personal flowchart since I've opened my eyes to head-fi. It all began with mid-fi purgatory.

K701 : I bought this headphone because of this. Shame on me.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2c2en6xd1qics1qo1_500.jpg
I had it paired to a Little Dot MKIII, which was my first headphone amp. Back then I had no reference to compare whether this was a good or a bad match, so it stayed in my collection for several months until I decided to try out other stuff.

DT880 (600 ohm) : Much better match than K701 on the LD MKIII, being a high-impedance headphone. This is when I learned the general rule of thumb that OTL tube amps have high output impedance, and that you should pair them with high impedance headphones. Which lead me to...

HD650 : Even better than the DT880. I was quite impressed. That's when I asked myself, can things get even better from here? Soon I found myself craving for Senn's flagship HD800, wondering how good it could possibly sound.

HD800 : What? While I was impressed by its superior transparency and soundstage over the HD650 at first, I realized I couldn't stand listening to this headphone for more than an hour due to listening fatigue. Didn't take me long to start missing the HD650 I had. That's around when the ortho craze started with the advent of Audeze and Hifiman. People were raving about how the new planar magnetics LCD-2 and HE-500/6 beat the crap out of all the traditional dynamic headphones out there. Which lead me to...

LCD-2 Rev.2 : I knew that my LD MKIII didn't have what it takes to drive these, so I also bought a Schiit Lyr upon its purchase. A lot of folks were recommending Lyr for orthos, and it had a reasonable price tag so why not. Although it was a lot heavier and uncomfortable than I had imagined, I was pleasantly surprised by its sound. But not long after LCD-2 was updated to Rev.2, then came...

LCD-3 : Okay, I didn't stick with LCD-2 Rev.2 for long because the release of LCD-3 that soon followed tempted me to buy it out of FOMO. To be honest, at double the price tag, I didn't hear a lot of difference and it left me wondering if the improvement was worth it. Then I thought maybe my Lyr wasn't up to the task, so the Lyr left and was replaced by Burson Soloist.

Fostex TH900 : I was tempted to buy this one largely because of its sheer beauty. In retrospect, I don't think this was a bad purchase. The sound was somewhat congested compared to the open-back LCD-3 but it was overall cleaner with a fun V-shaped sound sig. But I didn't think it was an ideal match with Burson Soloist, too bright on that setup. That's when Romy (Muppetface) recommended the Eddie Current ZDSE for the TH900. I said "but the TH900 is only 25 ohms and ZDSE is an OTL amp!" Then I learned that the ZDSE, despite being OTL, only has an output impedance of 3 ohms at lo-Z setting. Goodbye Soloist, hello ZDSE. It was the first headphone amp purchase I consider truly high-end.

Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV : The W3000ANV didn't replace the TH900. It was more closed-sounding than TH900 but more euphonic and the same time, and the matching with ZDSE was beautiful. However, at the end of the day I found myself preferring the TH900 which is a technically superior headphone. And speaking of technicalities, BournePerfect told me that HD800 is actually the best headphone to pair with the ZDSE. I said "but it was cold, harsh, lifeless, brittle, analytic, and fatiguing!" He told me that the ZDSE tames all that with its euphonic sound sig and takes the HD800 to another level. So...

Sennheiser HD800 : There I was, back with these headphones I had abandoned years ago. And he was right, in part. I saw a new side of HD800 that I couldn't see before, and the ZDSE made me appreciate how hi gh the HD800 could scale. I thought the ZDSE/HD800 was end-game for me. However, not even the ZDSE completely took off the HD800's sharp treble. It was still present, and made me cringe at times. I knew I couldn't stop here....

More to come.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #87 on: August 03, 2015, 04:50:46 PM »

This is my personal flowchart since I've opened my eyes to head-fi. It all began with mid-fi purgatory.

K701 : I bought this headphone because of this. Shame on me.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2c2en6xd1qics1qo1_500.jpg
I had it paired to a Little Dot MKIII, which was my first headphone amp. Back then I had no reference to compare whether this was a good or a bad match, so it stayed in my collection for several months until I decided to try out other stuff.

DT880 (600 ohm) : Much better match than K701 on the LD MKIII, being a high-impedance headphone. This is when I learned the general rule of thumb that OTL tube amps have high output impedance, and that you should pair them with high impedance headphones. Which lead me to...

HD650 : Even better than the DT880. I was quite impressed. That's when I asked myself, can things get even better from here? Soon I found myself craving for Senn's flagship HD800, wondering how good it could possibly sound.

HD800 : What? While I was impressed by its superior transparency and soundstage over the HD650 at first, I realized I couldn't stand listening to this headphone for more than an hour due to listening fatigue. Didn't take me long to start missing the HD650 I had. That's around when the ortho craze started with the advent of Audeze and Hifiman. People were raving about how the new planar magnetics LCD-2 and HE-500/6 beat the crap out of all the traditional dynamic headphones out there. Which lead me to...

LCD-2 Rev.2 : I knew that my LD MKIII didn't have what it takes to drive these, so I also bought a Schiit Lyr upon its purchase. A lot of folks were recommending Lyr for orthos, and it had a reasonable price tag so why not. Although it was a lot heavier and uncomfortable than I had imagined, I was pleasantly surprised by its sound. But not long after LCD-2 was updated to Rev.2, then came...

LCD-3 : Okay, I didn't stick with LCD-2 Rev.2 for long because the release of LCD-3 that soon followed tempted me to buy it out of FOMO. To be honest, at double the price tag, I didn't hear a lot of difference and it left me wondering if the improvement was worth it. Then I thought maybe my Lyr wasn't up to the task, so the Lyr left and was replaced by Burson Soloist.

Fostex TH900 : I was tempted to buy this one largely because of its sheer beauty. In retrospect, I don't think this was a bad purchase. The sound was somewhat congested compared to the open-back LCD-3 but it was overall cleaner with a fun V-shaped sound sig. But I didn't think it was an ideal match with Burson Soloist, too bright on that setup. That's when Romy (Muppetface) recommended the Eddie Current ZDSE for the TH900. I said "but the TH900 is only 25 ohms and ZDSE is an OTL amp!" Then I learned that the ZDSE, despite being OTL, only has an output impedance of 3 ohms at lo-Z setting. Goodbye Soloist, hello ZDSE. It was the first headphone amp purchase I consider truly high-end.

Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV : The W3000ANV didn't replace the TH900. It was more closed-sounding than TH900 but more euphonic and the same time, and the matching with ZDSE was beautiful. However, at the end of the day I found myself preferring the TH900 which is a technically superior headphone. And speaking of technicalities, BournePerfect told me that HD800 is actually the best headphone to pair with the ZDSE. I said "but it was cold, harsh, lifeless, brittle, analytic, and fatiguing!" He told me that the ZDSE tames all that with its euphonic sound sig and takes the HD800 to another level. So...

Sennh eiser HD800 : There I was, back with these headphones I had abandoned years ago. And he was right, in part. I saw a new side of HD800 that I couldn't see before, and the ZDSE made me appreciate how high the HD800 could scale. I thought the ZDSE/HD800 was end-game for me. However, not even the ZDSE completely took off the HD800's sharp treble. It was still present, and made me cringe at times. I knew I couldn't stop here....

More to come.

Can you organize into flowchart form plz?
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #88 on: August 04, 2015, 09:11:30 AM »

Congrarulations OJ, that chart is able to be inexistent in firefox and to crash chrome, in the same package.

Exactly what happened to me. I then opened it in Internet CrapXlporer and got a big empty space, from which I was able to save the image. It's here: https://i.imgur.com/n3JmqZR.jpg

I think FF and Chrome are having issues with the image size: 15024 x 7399
If you try to download the image, FF says it can't be displayed cuz it contains errors, and Chrome just goes "Aw, Snaps!"

[Edit: Silly me, posting before I've finished reading the thread. Solution has already been provided.]
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2015, 01:44:06 AM »

I see the chart both in pale moon and chrome on a win 7 pc.  Perhaps a setting?
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