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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #120 on: September 17, 2015, 07:27:22 AM »

Dutch sounds a lot like English, except spoken with a lot of (disgusting) salty licorice drops in your mouth.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #121 on: September 17, 2015, 07:27:59 AM »

Dutch is incredibly similar to English. After hours watching Internet pirated movies in Dutch (usually only available in Dutch as 85% of rips all seem to come from the Netherlands), an English speaker starts to understand the language. Kind of like "Holy crap, how did I understand that?"

I spent some happy sailing holidays in The Netherlands, some decades ago. On one provisions shopping trip, I realised that some words can easily be understood if one knows how to pronounce them. The word for meat, I recall,  sounds a bit like "flesh," but it doesn't look  like it at all.

In a British Dutch-language textbook, it said, at the start, that the Scottish have no problem with the pronunciation, but the English find it very tough.

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English also borrows a lot from Latin and French, and hence why I feel English is closer to Dutch than to German
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English language and people are mongrels: everything borrowed from everywhere. (Please note: I'm English. Very.) That is one reason why there is no stereotypical "English" physical appearance: we are all a complete mixture.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #122 on: September 17, 2015, 09:24:08 AM »

One thing though, the Dutch grammar system is a mishmash of exceptions. Learning Dutch is like learning French, learn the basics, the exceptions to rules and then you are fine to learn everything else.

Between "Hollands", "Brabants", "Limburgs" and Flemish there are some dialects. Frysian dialects are a unique remnant of Dutch-German tribes in the Northern part of the Netherlands.

To understand the "hard G" practice pronouncing "godverdomme" where the "G" becomes a semi-voiced K. "Godverdomme" means "God damn it/me for this situation" which is sometimes shortened to "Godver." Almost shout it but control the "G" and end with a weak "-e."

I just had a good coffee so I feel like sharing a basic lesson in Dutch cursing. Learn this one and the rest becomes really easy  :)p8   
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #123 on: September 17, 2015, 02:06:27 PM »

I have a good buddy who is Frisian, and he always says "As milk is to cheese, so English to Fries." There is also some rhyme about green cheese... found it: "Brea, bûter en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk"

I lived there for a summer, and its amazing how quickly you pick up on the language phonetically. Reading is only possible with concerted effort, and speaking is an entirely different matter. I was flirting with some girls in a bar who were "teaching me nederlands!!" and they kept giving me horrible faces and saying, "no! you sound like a German!!"
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #124 on: September 17, 2015, 02:32:35 PM »

One thing though, the Dutch grammar system is a mishmash of exceptions. Learning Dutch is like learning French, learn the basics, the exceptions to rules and then you are fine to learn everything else.

Between "Hollands", "Brabants", "Limburgs" and Flemish there are some dialects. Frysian dialects are a unique remnant of Dutch-German tribes in the Northern part of the Netherlands.

To understand the "hard G" practice pronouncing "godverdomme" where the "G" becomes a semi-voiced K. "Godverdomme" means "God damn it/me for this situation" which is sometimes shortened to "Godver." Almost shout it but control the "G" and end with a weak "-e."

I just had a good coffee so I feel like sharing a basic lesson in Dutch cursing. Learn this one and the rest becomes really easy  :)p8   
This gave me flashbacks to my three years of high-school German.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #125 on: September 17, 2015, 02:42:45 PM »

Smitty1110, gern geschehen  ahoy
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #126 on: September 22, 2015, 09:35:30 PM »

Dutch sounds a lot like English

I'm (southern) English.  My impression of Dutch after a flight on KLM (from London but not to Holland) where the captain did his obligatory announcements first in Dutch and then in English was that there is a similarity beyond some shared words or words with obviously common roots.  The really striking thing is the almost identical rhythm, cadence and intonation - very unlike French or German but some commonality with Swedish to my ear.

More worrying is just how tall the Dutch are and that so many Dutch men have great big long faces like a horse.

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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #127 on: September 24, 2015, 03:26:06 AM »

Back to the subject of "whiter is better", I heard an interesting CBC Radio podcast on Haiti, the first half of which discussed how the power of the lighter skinned colonial (French) rulers affected local values, to the extent that even foreign imported foods are now valued over local foods.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/ideas-from-the-trenches-just-trying-to-help-1.3227693
@19:42 "... the epidermalization of inferiority."

The second half is mainly about how foreign aid has fucked up Haiti more than it has helped.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #128 on: September 24, 2015, 06:58:26 AM »

Back to the subject of "whiter is better", I heard an interesting CBC Radio podcast on Haiti, the first half of which discussed how the power of the lighter skinned colonial (French) rulers affected local values, to the extent that even foreign imported foods are now valued over local foods.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/ideas-from-the-trenches-just-trying-to-help-1.3227693
@19:42 "... the epidermalization of inferiority."

The second half is mainly about how foreign aid has fucked up Haiti more than it has helped.

Until you look like an albino or a corpse a light skin is assumed to symbolise something.

Imported produce replacing local produce was part of the Western scheme to add import taxes which resulted in higher prices, higher revenues for the exploiter and advertisers could say "expensive is good" and "from the mainland is good" to then rub in colonial inferiority. More money for the treasury and the colony was exploited again.

Nowadays previous colonisators say "we did not mean it that way" but we all know they did because European equalled superior for centuries and the cultural traces that has left are sometimes like scars. In the Netherlands Surinam is still hardly spoken about because the Dutch government is still ashamed of the sub-human treatment of workers there even after the abolition of slavery.

Leopold of Belgium was cruel but he had learnt from the Dutch. 
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