Ha!
I love the mid-fi purgatory.
Is there supposed to be a posted chart in the first post? I don't see anything... ??
Is there supposed to be a posted chart in the first post? I don't see anything... ??Yes. There is a chart in the first post. Something is wrong on your end.
Nothing shows up on my laptop. My desktop loads something funny and I get a large black blank space.
I still like the Audezes more than most other pyrates FWIW. 2.2 is probably the best version.
I fucking lost it at "ching chong" holy shit
I still like the Audezes more than most other pyrates FWIW. 2.2 is probably the best version.I certainly like Audezes more than most other pyrates. I haven't been able to find another headphone to share the throne. The HD800 exceeds it in technicalities, sure, but tonally the LCD-2.2 is my preference. If I had to pick one, it would be the LCD-2.2; especially since I don't find the technicalities-gap night and day on my equipment. That said, I bought my LCD-2.2 in my younger, more vulnerable years. I wouldn't pony up for an Audeze now. The apparent product variation is prohibitive.
I fucking lost it at "ching chong" holy shit
fantastic guide OJ
too bad you forgot the vintage purgatory I'm trapped in
Bill's mod was way too bright when I heard it at CanJam.
I still like the Audezes more than most other pyrates FWIW. 2.2 is probably the best version.
too bad you forgot the vintage purgatory I'm trapped in
Ok, based on OJ's chart, I have nothing to do... I think the ultimate chart would be one that provides a suggested path (as this does) but considering the DAC and the amp e.g. Yggy->KGSShv-> SR 009. It would be complicated given the permutations and combinations but fun as hell.
Add: I have the HD 800 with Anax 2.0; just waiting for the EC amps
Congrarulations OJ, that chart is able to be inexistent in firefox.
I fucking lost it at "ching chong" holy shit
fantastic guide OJ
Then why am I looking at right now using Firefox?If I knew ... Had to download it and open in my image renderer. Apparently Armaegis can't see it either, :shrugs:
Agreed, fantastic flow chart :)
As an Asian American living in China, I admit that no other pair of headphones screams "CHINA" like the HE-1000's aesthetics.
If I knew ... Had to download it and open in my image renderer. Apparently Armaegis can't see it either, :shrugs:
You guys need to realize that Asians are secretly the most racist people alive.
We already have a bunch of preconceptions and stereotypes in our head even before we meet someone.
It's just more subtle and we generally keep it on the down low.
You guys need to realize that Asians are secretly the most racist people alive.as a Swedish person... I always have people treat me way more well than I deserve by asian people when they find out. I need answers to this!
We already have a bunch of preconceptions and stereotypes in our head even before we meet someone.
It's just more subtle and we generally keep it on the down low.
You guys need to realize that Asians are secretly the most racist people alive.
We already have a bunch of preconceptions and stereotypes in our head even before we meet someone.
It's just more subtle and we generally keep it on the down low.
You guys need to realize that Asians are secretly the most racist people alive.
You guys need to realize that Asians are secretly the most racist people alive.
Actually, I think liberal / progressive white people (at least in the USA) are secretly the most racist people alive.
Actually, I think liberal / progressive white people (at least in the USA) are secretly the most racist people alive. They won't ever admit that they are prejudiced and are quick to judge or correct others who they think are. This is probably because their ancestors killed the red man and enslaved the black man.
Asians tend to hate the group, but like the individuals. The liberal progressives tend to love the group, but hate the individuals. Part of this is because liberal progressives tend to be wealthy, oftentimes with the wealth passed down generations, going back to the Mayflower, etc. Asians, being relative newcomers to the USA, have had to live in shitty neighborhoods at one at or another.
I have a feeling many would place them as a sidegrade to something like the HD650
In Asian culture, when you are really good at something and devote yourself to it you are appreciated for that alone. When people can, they tend to help you (personal experience). Mainstream culture is only good when it works or is a source or revenue. Apart from that "Western society with its pretentious Western values" is simply a catchphrase for "I know better but I am too lazy to explain why because I am a pink-skinned know-it-all."
If you think I am too critical or cynical look at current mainstream culture. Intellectuals are reduced to sound-bites, too many words is TL;DR and true innovators are not taken seriously until that "innovating nerd" makes millions/billions. Thinking is too difficult for many so societal problems are limited to "for or against" instead of asking "what solution would be most humane and effective?"
What you're talking is more descriptive of Japanese culture. Indeed, without the urushi cup, the price of TH900 should go down substaintially I guess...
From a Chinese background I'd say the highest personal quality to be appreciated in Chinese culture is to get along well with any person, and build a personal network to get whatever you want. Chinese people (that I know of) generally do not appreciate one devoting to something (including knowledge) unless one can capitalize/get fame by it. This is the very reason I got my ass out of China.
Oh if the current generation of Americans were our founding fathers, the United States of America would consist of Delaware and Rhode Island with Mexico in between. That would be our north and south. Half the country would need travel visas to go to Disneyland.
Where there be a pinata in place of the Golden Gate Bridge?
I was gonna say I thought that was more apt for honky westerners. Had to read it a couple times to get the crux of your meaning. Being successful is most important. Period. I'd agree with that. Not getting along for the sake of virtue, but personal gain.
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I will say with Chinese (and Japanese to a lesser extent) there is/was the saving face and don't offend culture, but I find this very regional, class dependent and probably a dying value in modern society. I've been very taken aback by some of the offensive and impolite things I've heard from more recent Chinese and Japanese people, and I'm no shrinking violet. I've heard things from some Japanese youths that made me think if we were back in Meiji era or earlier, they would have been decapitated by a samurai for saying some things. But hey, at least they aren't as bad as Italians.
DF. Yes the Confucian thing. Harmony was not about virtue but social order and control. Confucianism drove me bat shit crazy growing up as a kid. That's what happens when a culture mortgages it's soul for expedient solutions. Loss of freedom and individuality.
...and that's why I listen to a modded HD800. :P
I think I need to be a bit more specific: Chinese culture in general tend to caliberate success as money and a Western PR card. Liberal arts, hobby, reading, curiosity, everything out of mainstream accepted learning (mostly technology that earns one money) are perceived as trivial, with no connection to success.
Also.... how the hell did a headphone flowchart turn into a discussion of the current state of affairs on race in America and who's a closet racist? Only on CS...
Thread derailed, great job you bunch of trannies
seriously, OJ, to bring this back on track, I did some listening yesterday (my time) with the HD 800, the Stax 009 and the HE 6 (with a power amp so usual caveats)... I have not listened to the HE1K at all but I am sorely tempted to push the "Ching Chong" arrow out further right with the HE 6 at the end
Thread derailed, great job you bunch of trannies
Imagine if you put this up on reddit.
The Ching Chong is not related to yamate or kimochi right? Coz AT has a rage for not being in the list :)p2 :)p12 :)p14
Supposedly a lot of people were complaining about my use of ching-chong when I posted that. I told them I was Jewish and therefore it is impossible for me to racist. L'chaim bitches
Oh if the current generation of Americans were our founding fathers, the United States of America would consist of Delaware and Rhode Island with Mexico in between. That would be our north and south. Half the country would need travel visas to go to Disneyland.Nice segue. Now it all makes sense. :D Headphones and sociology all in one thread. Yes only on CS.
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DF. Yes the Confucian thing. Harmony was not about virtue but social order and control. Confucianism drove me bat shit crazy growing up as a kid. That's what happens when a culture mortgages it's soul for expedient solutions. Loss of freedom and individuality.
...and that's why I listen to a modded HD800. :P
What ever it means if the headphones were made in the Netherlands and you would have written "delivered by people who wear wooden shoes" or "as good as their cheese" I would have had a small chuckle.
How to get out of purgatory: sell all the mid-fi gear, save up for a HD800 and keep a KSC75/35/Portapro. The HD800 with system is attainable.
Edit: OJneg, do you prefer a manual, automatic, the manual + automatic or the dual clutch transmission? My transmission consists of my legs as I ride a bicycle. Queen even wrote a song about riding a bicycle and you can listen to "Don't stop me now" to keep going.
...whatever annoys me the least over time.
whatever annoys me the least over time. Then build a rig around that. I wish I could go back in time and just tell myself to save up money, buy that, and build around it.
This is my personal flowchart since I've opened my eyes to head-fi. It all began with mid-fi purgatory.
K701 : I bought this headphone because of this. Shame on me.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2c2en6xd1qics1qo1_500.jpg
I had it paired to a Little Dot MKIII, which was my first headphone amp. Back then I had no reference to compare whether this was a good or a bad match, so it stayed in my collection for several months until I decided to try out other stuff.
DT880 (600 ohm) : Much better match than K701 on the LD MKIII, being a high-impedance headphone. This is when I learned the general rule of thumb that OTL tube amps have high output impedance, and that you should pair them with high impedance headphones. Which lead me to...
HD650 : Even better than the DT880. I was quite impressed. That's when I asked myself, can things get even better from here? Soon I found myself craving for Senn's flagship HD800, wondering how good it could possibly sound.
HD800 : What? While I was impressed by its superior transparency and soundstage over the HD650 at first, I realized I couldn't stand listening to this headphone for more than an hour due to listening fatigue. Didn't take me long to start missing the HD650 I had. That's around when the ortho craze started with the advent of Audeze and Hifiman. People were raving about how the new planar magnetics LCD-2 and HE-500/6 beat the crap out of all the traditional dynamic headphones out there. Which lead me to...
LCD-2 Rev.2 : I knew that my LD MKIII didn't have what it takes to drive these, so I also bought a Schiit Lyr upon its purchase. A lot of folks were recommending Lyr for orthos, and it had a reasonable price tag so why not. Although it was a lot heavier and uncomfortable than I had imagined, I was pleasantly surprised by its sound. But not long after LCD-2 was updated to Rev.2, then came...
LCD-3 : Okay, I didn't stick with LCD-2 Rev.2 for long because the release of LCD-3 that soon followed tempted me to buy it out of FOMO. To be honest, at double the price tag, I didn't hear a lot of difference and it left me wondering if the improvement was worth it. Then I thought maybe my Lyr wasn't up to the task, so the Lyr left and was replaced by Burson Soloist.
Fostex TH900 : I was tempted to buy this one largely because of its sheer beauty. In retrospect, I don't think this was a bad purchase. The sound was somewhat congested compared to the open-back LCD-3 but it was overall cleaner with a fun V-shaped sound sig. But I didn't think it was an ideal match with Burson Soloist, too bright on that setup. That's when Romy (Muppetface) recommended the Eddie Current ZDSE for the TH900. I said "but the TH900 is only 25 ohms and ZDSE is an OTL amp!" Then I learned that the ZDSE, despite being OTL, only has an output impedance of 3 ohms at lo-Z setting. Goodbye Soloist, hello ZDSE. It was the first headphone amp purchase I consider truly high-end.
Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV : The W3000ANV didn't replace the TH900. It was more closed-sounding than TH900 but more euphonic and the same time, and the matching with ZDSE was beautiful. However, at the end of the day I found myself preferring the TH900 which is a technically superior headphone. And speaking of technicalities, BournePerfect told me that HD800 is actually the best headphone to pair with the ZDSE. I said "but it was cold, harsh, lifeless, brittle, analytic, and fatiguing!" He told me that the ZDSE tames all that with its euphonic sound sig and takes the HD800 to another level. So...
Sennheiser HD800 : There I was, back with these headphones I had abandoned years ago. And he was right, in part. I saw a new side of HD800 that I couldn't see before, and the ZDSE made me appreciate how high the HD800 could scale. I thought the ZDSE/HD800 was end-game for me. However, not even the ZDSE completely took off the HD800's sharp treble. It was still present, and made me cringe at times. I knew I couldn't stop here....
More to come.
Congrarulations OJ, that chart is able to be inexistent in firefox and to crash chrome, in the same package.
On the other hand, while Chinese people still routinely bully and despise Japanese individuals, foreigners, and government, they have no qualms now purchasing Japanese cars and products. Many of my students tell me they hate Japan yet they watch One Piece and other anime shows daily. It's very interesting.
I was born in Taiwan, grew up in Canada, and have been back Taiwan for the past 10-15 yrs.
Also curious as to at what price that speaker will be better than the stax009 and hd800, just want to know which better bang for bucks.
I'm surprise to see stax lambda and koss esp950 rank higher than hd650/600 since from the thread here many people say otherwise.
Also curious as to at what price that speaker will be better than the stax009 and hd800, just want to know which better bang for bucks.
The obsession with status and wealth is sometimes very concerning.
The obsession with whiteness to the extent of paling yourself with potentially toxic make-up is even worse.
For some reason this obsession with pureness of blood (heritage) and skin is something of all ages and cultures. I do not understand it.
I'm surprise to see stax lambda and koss esp950 rank higher than hd650/600 since from the thread here many people say otherwise.
Also curious as to at what price that speaker will be better than the stax009 and hd800, just want to know which better bang for bucks.
In parts of Asia like China and Vietnam, the second is connected to the first. Pale white skin is associated with coming from a well-off white collar family and being successful. If you have a tan it is presumed you are a physical laborer. So girls ride around covered up like mummies to increase their prospects of marriage.
Being a hybrid myself, I see racism from all sides including those trying to 'help'. The purity thing merely represents a psychological fear and insecurity of the unknown. People ultimately perceive mixing blood as an attack on themselves if they come from a more homogenous background or culture. More educated and critical thinking beings are less prone to this sort of belief set. Most of the world still lives in the Dark Ages (demons, voodoo, ground up animal parts, martyrdom,etc.).
In parts of Asia like China and Vietnam, the second is connected to the first. Pale white skin is associated with coming from a well-off white collar family and being successful. If you have a tan it is presumed you are a physical laborer. So girls ride around covered up like mummies to increase their prospects of marriage.
Being a hybrid myself, I see racism from all sides including those trying to 'help'. The purity thing merely represents a psychological fear and insecurity of the unknown. People ultimately perceive mixing blood as an attack on themselves if they come from a more homogenous background or culture. More educated and critical thinking beings are less prone to this sort of belief set. Most of the world still lives in the Dark Ages (demons, voodoo, ground up animal parts, martyrdom,etc.).
This is unfortunately very true in Mexico as well IMO.
This is unfortunately very true in Mexico as well IMO.
Hu. In Vietnam and Sydney I saw a lot of Asian women walking from shadow to shadow as if they were vampires but I didn't know this was a thing in Mexico. Interesting.
Hu. In Vietnam and Sydney I saw a lot of Asian women walking from shadow to shadow as if they were vampires but I didn't know this was a thing in Mexico. Interesting.
Consider this an extension of the leaderboard thread.Make a flowchart for speakers next? I'm genuinely curious.
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1803.0.html (http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1803.0.html)
Let's all make personal flowcharts of what we consider valid "upgrade paths". You can do it in Paint.
OTHER CHARTS:
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2626.msg76405.html#msg76405 (http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2626.msg76405.html#msg76405)
Make a flowchart for speakers next? I'm genuinely curious.
ISIS, Bin Laden, and Ahmadinejad as a front page cover image for this thread. Only on Changstar. :boom:
Wow, that would be really weird if it turned out that you were one of my cousins.
No, I.S. is too dangerous, Bin Laden is dead and Ahmadinejad is an asshole. In fact Iran is ruled by assholes stuck in Medieval times so no. I would go Dutch with "regenboogpiet", when I explain it you are either disgusted or fall of your chair laughing.
Now you have me interested in some Dutch culture
Now you have me interested in some Dutch culture
Dutch sounds a lot like English, except spoken with a lot of (disgusting) salty licorice drops in your mouth.Dutch sounds like a throat-disease. That's what Dutch people told me...
Dutch is incredibly similar to English. After hours watching Internet pirated movies in Dutch (usually only available in Dutch as 85% of rips all seem to come from the Netherlands), an English speaker starts to understand the language. Kind of like "Holy crap, how did I understand that?"
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Dutch sounds a lot like English, except spoken with a lot of (disgusting) salty licorice drops in your mouth.
English also borrows a lot from Latin and French, and hence why I feel English is closer to Dutch than to German.
One thing though, the Dutch grammar system is a mishmash of exceptions. Learning Dutch is like learning French, learn the basics, the exceptions to rules and then you are fine to learn everything else.This gave me flashbacks to my three years of high-school German.
Between "Hollands", "Brabants", "Limburgs" and Flemish there are some dialects. Frysian dialects are a unique remnant of Dutch-German tribes in the Northern part of the Netherlands.
To understand the "hard G" practice pronouncing "godverdomme" where the "G" becomes a semi-voiced K. "Godverdomme" means "God damn it/me for this situation" which is sometimes shortened to "Godver." Almost shout it but control the "G" and end with a weak "-e."
I just had a good coffee so I feel like sharing a basic lesson in Dutch cursing. Learn this one and the rest becomes really easy :)p8
Dutch sounds a lot like English
Back to the subject of "whiter is better", I heard an interesting CBC Radio podcast on Haiti, the first half of which discussed how the power of the lighter skinned colonial (French) rulers affected local values, to the extent that even foreign imported foods are now valued over local foods.
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/ideas-from-the-trenches-just-trying-to-help-1.3227693
@19:42 "... the epidermalization of inferiority."
The second half is mainly about how foreign aid has fucked up Haiti more than it has helped.