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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2015, 11:25:48 PM »

Griffon and Anaxilus, I did omit regional influences like Confucianism in China an Hindu/Buddhist culture in India for instance.

What I have witnessed in Chinese culture based on having a Chinese best friend and having worked for Chinese people is that individualism has to be in harmony with the most important family relations. Some teachers I had through the years told me about "walking on shells" and as much as you sometimes have to, when it comes to your principles you can be honest in a polite way. Simply stay honest and do your thing. You fail it happens, you succeed all the better.

The getting along thing tends to quickly get on my nerves. I grew up with church and detested the herd behaviour. In school I witnessed the cliques so I read books in the library or hung out with the weird ones or older "I do not give a shit students." The "alfa-person plus herd" phenomenon has made Western politics a toxic environment for intellectuals and innovators who actually care about people's needs. Mainstream media largely cater to this phenomenon and it has dangerous effects.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2015, 11:35:41 PM »

Oh if the current generation of Americans were our founding fathers, the United States of America would consist of Delaware and Rhode Island with Mexico in between. That would be our north and south. Half the country would need travel visas to go to Disneyland.

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DF. Yes the Confucian thing. Harmony was not about virtue but social order and control. Confucianism drove me bat shit crazy growing up as a kid. That's what happens when a culture mortgages it's soul for expedient solutions. Loss of freedom and individuality.

...and that's why I listen to a modded HD800. :P
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2015, 11:48:56 PM »

Oh if the current generation of Americans were our founding fathers, the United States of America would consist of Delaware and Rhode Island with Mexico in between. That would be our north and south. Half the country would need travel visas to go to Disneyland.

Where there be a pinata in place of the Golden Gate Bridge?
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2015, 11:58:19 PM »

Where there be a pinata in place of the Golden Gate Bridge?


It'd be a like a giant paper mache Colossus of Rhodes, but with Santa Ana's head that bursts open with chilli mango and worm laden tequilla candies every 5th of May. The funny thing is, there would still be coyotes but they'd be trafficking New Englanders.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2015, 12:12:09 AM »

I was gonna say I thought that was more apt for honky westerners. Had to read it a couple times to get the crux of your meaning. Being successful is most important. Period. I'd agree with that. Not getting along for the sake of virtue, but personal gain.
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I will say with Chinese (and Japanese to a lesser extent) there is/was the saving face and don't offend culture, but I find this very regional, class dependent and probably a dying value in modern society. I've been very taken aback by some of the offensive and impolite things I've heard from more recent Chinese and Japanese people, and I'm no shrinking violet. I've heard things from some Japanese youths that made me think if we were back in Meiji era or earlier, they would have been decapitated by a samurai for saying some things. But hey, at least they aren't as bad as Italians.

Very interesting and I agree with everything you said.  Also we should realize that interactions with Chinese immigrants in America is a bit of selective sampling and people who have the guanxi (network/connections/relationships), motivation and money to leave China for America hardly represent the culture that remains in China.

I always had a view of Chinese people has hardworking and highly driven from my experiences in America, but I can tell you that is definitely not the norm in most universities here, especially the class 2 and 3 universities (which make up the majority).  Students want to goof off their entire college life because they had to study for the past 15 years for the gaokao test, and you never actually fail a class - even if you get a 20. 

One of my local friends here just graduated and is moving to America soon for graduate school to work toward his MBA.  He asked me if it's true that there is a lot of racism in the States (after reading all about Ferguson et al.) and I admitted that while racism obviously exists in different forms, I found Asians in general to be more racist.  China, Korea, Japan, etc are still much more culturally homogenized than the US, and while that does not give an excuse for casual racism, it's much more apparent and culturally accepted here.  (Just look up the "Rent-a-foreigner" mini-documentary about China haha).

Regarding racism against groups and not against individuals, I've seen it both ways.  In the end, guanxi is elevated above all other things, so ideals like community, work ethic, etc are actually not as important here in China as they may be with Chinese Americans overseas.  On the other hand, while Chinese people still routinely bully and despise Japanese individuals, foreigners, and government, they have no qualms now purchasing Japanese cars and products.  Many of my students tell me they hate Japan yet they watch One Piece and other anime shows daily.  It's very interesting.

Regarding Confucianism and other traditional values, while the current President is trying to push these values back into the foreground, they had been summarily demolished and undermined by previous leaders.  I can tell you that cultural norms like the honor-shame culture, honoring elders and family values are not high priorities in society anymore (which people do rightfully bemoan but acknowledge).  Honor nowadays means "how much money do you have", which is why you see so many companies ignore IP and other laws to get ahead - it's not dishonorable if it's making money.  Confucius mainly wrote that social hierarchy ("people knowing their rank and place") brings about harmony, and not the other way around.  Even tho ugh Confucianism isn't as culturally relevant now as 100 years ago, you could say the new hierarchy based on guanxi and money is still a shadow of its past self - perhaps with some "capitalism" thrown in there for good measure :)   And I use that word VERY loosely because it's not quite the same as you'd expect (Chinese call their social structure here "socialism with Chinese characteristics").
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2015, 12:21:58 AM »

DF. Yes the Confucian thing. Harmony was not about virtue but social order and control. Confucianism drove me bat shit crazy growing up as a kid. That's what happens when a culture mortgages it's soul for expedient solutions. Loss of freedom and individuality.

...and that's why I listen to a modded HD800. :P

It is okay. Even Mao could not undo Confucius. Here in Western Europe there still is this "we are the best because Greek democracy, Roman heritage and post-Renaissance modernity followed by (partially hidden) wealth as the result of colonialism, imperialism and wars" while being silent about 1918, the Weimar republic and 1939-1945. Current peaceful Western-Europe is a miracle of cluster fucks and good intentions of people who said "no more wars" and cowardly heads of state had to listen this time (or else). A more humble attitude would be more befitting in my opinion.

I say buy a second HD800 for back-up and enjoy the music. I would go for Pink Floyd's album "Animals."   
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2015, 01:10:13 AM »


This is going off topic too quickly... My apologies.

Anax and DF, I'm not sure if I've got your crux, but let me say I'm nowhere objective to being successful as the most important calibre. I also firmly believe that we live for personal gain, also period.

I think I need to be a bit more specific: Chinese culture in general tend to caliberate success as money and a Western PR card. Liberal arts, hobby, reading, curiosity, everything out of mainstream accepted learning (mostly technology that earns one money) are perceived as trivial, with no connection to success.

On the other note, I also think there is a connection between not enough liberal arts (self)education and people being ignorant. I've been called Shinajin by some Japanese kids who knows nothing but manga and anime, and my middleschool English teacher, who though my self-learning Japanese is completely a wrong behavior, called me a nigger (I'm dark skined as a Chinese). Meanwhile some of the most intellegent people (regardless of cultural background) I've met share a common practice that they read a ton of good books.

Confucianism in China or Asia in general has been mistranslated into obeying one's superiors and reinforcing herd mentality, which royally pisses me off. I just feel that in Canada, mainstream culture has yet to embrace obeying one's superior as a primary quality, and herd mentality has yet been so strong as what it is in China.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2015, 01:48:40 AM »

Thanks Griffon, expect a PM.

Edit: these days many people look away or look down on you when you actually want to know about the context of certain topics. This discouragement of intellectual curiosity will be the undoing of society when the nerds say "fuck it, I am out" and stop contributing to society. The sheeple walk off the cliff of consumer existence and idiocy is replaced by more idiocy. I still have some hope left.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2015, 02:56:34 AM »

I think I need to be a bit more specific: Chinese culture in general tend to caliberate success as money and a Western PR card. Liberal arts, hobby, reading, curiosity, everything out of mainstream accepted learning (mostly technology that earns one money) are perceived as trivial, with no connection to success.

It's because of survival. China was a poor country were people ate bark off of trees just a few decades ago. I'm sure some parts of China are still like that. My dad had the same mentality since he grew up poor in Taiwan and his evil stepbrother took everything from him when their dad died. The awesome thing about my dad is that he gets it now. He actually advised me that my kids don't need to the best at school - just good enough - so they can pursue their dreams.

The awesome thing about living in the West is that you can actually devote yourself to hobbies, the arts, etc. It's very hard to starve to death in the West, assuming your mind hasn't been fried by drugs.
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Re: Headphone Flowcharts and Cultural Studies of Different Colored People
« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2015, 03:01:47 AM »

Development of culture and the arts represents the success and security of an evolved society. The fact we are pushing STEM above all tells you everything you need to know about our current state of affairs.
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