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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #140 on: July 15, 2015, 09:04:59 PM »

This all being said, we very much do appreciate measurements and data here. The more the merrier. I just think many of the mods and founders here know or perceive what we have yet to truly understand or correlate to a satisfactory point to evangelize with any certainty one way or the other.

I caution those that claim to hold empiricism above all to not ironically and repetitively cite rudimentary psychology as the only variable to explain away what they don't understand or agree with. I hope you understand even if you don't agree. :))
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #141 on: July 15, 2015, 09:06:15 PM »

Correct, but an EE could choose to belong to one or the other 'camp'. This is why I refer to both as belief systems. As empirical as some certain extreme objective would like to appear, they are still choosing to follow their own belief set just like a magic rock person would. The difference lies in what they value the most personally.

EEs or not, we are human beings. And as such we have our own subjective opinions about things.

I also fully agree that specifications and similar cannot substitute experience and field tests.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #142 on: July 15, 2015, 09:07:39 PM »

Of course I'm not the messiah, of any stripe.

I'm disappointed. So you can't help us to get rid of Anaxilus ?  :-00


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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #143 on: July 15, 2015, 09:19:35 PM »

I suppose I consider Changstar like myself, technically agnostic.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #144 on: July 15, 2015, 09:23:38 PM »

LOL! Shit always goes wrong even when all the numbers seem to be in ones favor.

In that sense, more than technically agnostic, I feel like Jon Snow.
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #145 on: July 15, 2015, 10:07:29 PM »

I'm disappointed. So you can't help us to get rid of Anaxilus ?  :-00


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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #146 on: July 15, 2015, 10:52:30 PM »

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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #147 on: July 15, 2015, 11:07:16 PM »

The Great Audiophile Debate - John Atkinson vs Arny Krueger



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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #148 on: July 15, 2015, 11:16:55 PM »

O2 amp is even better than Auralic Taurus MK2 interms of noise spectrum and crosstalk?!

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/big-sound-2015-getting-some-numbers#CQqUEt647hJmVYmM.97
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Re: "Audiophoolery"?
« Reply #149 on: July 15, 2015, 11:51:35 PM »

What do you guys think of this article? Is he right or is he nwavguy-ish?
https://audiotruth.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/silver-gold-2/

https://audiotruth.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/the-toxic-cables-plot-thickens/

When trying to determine the effectiveness or sound of a cable based purely on that material's percentage on the IACS conductivity scale, you have a problem. That's just not how things work. I'm not going to defend the Toxic Cable guy's claim that an alloy of 99% silver and 1% gold reduces the conductivity of silver by 1% or whatever, clearly that's not grounded in any science.

There may be reasons for adding a small amount of gold to silver wire though, beyond just pure conductivity. Clearly, if conductivity is all you are worried about, then you should never use machined brass or bronze audio connectors (which is what almost all connectors are made out of) because those metals are awful at conducting electricity.

I don't subscribe to the theory that assuming you use appropriate gauges to equal out conductivity, large gauge aluminum wire will sound the same as small gauge copper wire.

The problem that cable makers run into is when they attempt to justify the use of silver by claiming its higher on the conductivity scale in the first place. Silver's additional conductivity over highly refined copper with minimal impurities is small enough to be negligible. And unless you have the ability to cold weld your connectors, you're going to be introducing other metals via solder, even with pure silver connectors, which are relatively rare. Most silver connectors also tend to be plated with a low conductivity material like platinum or rhodium because pure silver oxidizes and tarnishes so easily, even though unlike copper oxide, conductivity of silver oxide remains high.

Just say you use silver in your wire because you think it sounds better, not because it's 106% vs. 104% or whatever, especially when your using Cardas connectors made out of 28% conductivity brass. 
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