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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2013, 01:06:38 AM »

It says the H100 includes a frequency response chart to confirm it's FR of perceived flatness.

You know, which all the other 600+ universal IEM's out there don't, apart from a few Etymotics.

There's a rumour Rin Choi really doesn't like his Korean kin at GE, therefore his review is questionable.  Yet, it still shows the flatness from 100Hz up.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2013, 01:38:18 AM »

I can unequivocally say the H100 I heard is not remotely close to flat.

When I have heard the exact set of iems he's measured, which is quite a few, his measurements tend to mirror what I hear. However I don't always agree with his conclusions.
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« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2013, 03:35:52 AM »

I think we heard rather different units, there's not very much I like which muppet dislikes except for the virtual marionette Kiteki.
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Returning to coherency, a hybrid with a dynamic and a BA with very different THD patterns, speed, tone, that is one form of discoherency, right?  Then there is time/phase alignment, then there is the crystal clear perfectness of the crossovers versus not.  Then there is perhaps a fourth, high decay issues, which Tomscy2000 mentioned in this thread.

Then there is perhaps a fifth which is which is location and radiation.  For example a triple-bore CIEM has three sound exits, thus the driver sound paths merge as late as spatially possible, this feature is usually removed in universalised CIEM's.

Edit:  I don't know IME if the above is audible or not, but then why does multi-bore exist?

A dynamic driver tilted 90 degrees away affects location / radiation as well, that's why everyone says the Sony EX600 sounds more like a headphone than an IEM.  Another example JVC FXC51 / FXD80 driver locality, these are audible especially with deep over-ear insertion, nice feeling.

/just my opinion
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2013, 10:16:31 AM »

 
well bro, as this all comes down to a matter of opinion, i'd take the "horrid for the price" k3003 over the diabolical for the price piano forte x, lx, vlll and even the highly rated for the price ie800 - and did. ;)

Hehe well the consumer decides the market trend so buying a Vsonic V7007 clone for $750 USD less and sending emails to AKG would put pressure on AKG to remove the fashion price and take actions versus cloning.  The jewellery commercial proves they were marketing it with $20,000 leather jackets in mind, not saying that's necessarily a sin or anything but you know.

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Purrin what is your personal subjective term for how phase/time shift sounds?

glad you could find a slot for me in your world view bro. like there's no way i would have bought them for the sound. ;)
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2013, 12:57:11 PM »

/ no way i would have bought them for the sound. ;)

In a blind test versus Etymotic ER-4B, Ortofon E-Q7 and a UM Mage I'd think it's rather unlikely actually.

You spent your premium and you really like these, it's cool, I'll spend my premiums elsewhere.

Thanks AKG for pricing these so high and making luxury commercials about IEM's, please release a $2,500 IEM next with very heavy marketing.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2013, 01:20:46 PM »

The ER-4s and k3003 are my favorite iems. I enjoy them more than my jh13 the 1+2 and tg334 I owned before them. I paid less for a new k3003 than all of those, except the etymotic.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2013, 01:56:35 PM »

Yeah, I don't know what was up with the T Peos I heard, but it was definitely nowhere close to sounding linear. It had some really wonky ups and downs in the signature, and I think most of the people who heard that pair on Eke's tour heard something similar --- ie. bad.

Eke was sort of in disbelief it could sound so bad, so he bought a second pair, and it was pretty much the same. Maybe the real 'bad' element was Eke's luck? James, ever the pragmatist, suggested it might be a fit issue, however I experimented with different tips and insertion depths and didn't find anything that could save it. In either case, the frequency response chard T Peos supplied was obviously not a measurement of that particular unit we all heard. If their units are going to vary so much from one to the next due to bad quality control, then supplying measurements taken from one "good" unit isn't exactly helpful.

As for the K3003, I think you have to take the overall context of Purrin's review into consideration: the flaws were unacceptable to him at that very high price point. Personally, I like the K3003 myself and think it's a very good sounding IEM despite its having some very definite problems. Having owned the E-Q7, I'd take the K3003 over them just based on sound alone. Interestingly enough, when I heard a new pair of K3003s some of its flaws were less apparent, particularly the bass which seemed to keep pace with the other drivers more closely. There's that product variation factor again I guess?
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2013, 02:27:47 PM »

Supposedly newer k3003 units have slightly reduced levels of bass and are a bit faster in that regard. My new pair certainly matches that rumor and according to Ader's recent shout, it seems idsynchrono's replacement pair might match that description.

I think the description of the k3k being a more polite 1+2 is a good description, having owned both at the same time. The 1+2 had more bass and more treble, making it even airier and grander, yet further away and more aggressive.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2013, 06:51:55 PM »

I probably would be less critical today on the K3003s. The K3003 was a price busting product at that time. Having been accustomed to only IEMs with good coherence and lack of treble spikes, I found the K3003 unacceptable.

Also I think I was goaded into writing this short assessment by some folks who knew a certain person would go ballistic. Back then, I didn't know there were so many crazies in the IEM world of HF. Or knew that there were supposed certain review protocols to follow, mainly the in TL;DR format which I eschew.

It's pretty normal these days for $1000+ IEMs to lack coherency, have funny treble peaks, etc.  You have to understand my mindset in 2012 with the whole manifesto thing http://www.changstar.com/index.php?topic=487.0 where I was in fact railing against these massive increases of the price of products which either did not provide improved performance or bring anything unique (unique done poorly doesn't not count.) I would have been fine with the K3003 at $499 (and even that would have been too much.)

Now in 2013/2014 expensive shit, good or bad, is now the norm. So I've essentially given up on that old angle. Welcome to the land of big boy Hi-Fi.

An no, that manifesto in 2012 was not mocking HF. Some people can be pretty thin-skinnned.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2013, 07:03:39 PM »

I have been thinking of listening to the k3003 again, maybe buying from a place with a good return policy. I did enjoy the tuning, except for the bass driver not keeping up. If that's been corrected, great. The 1plus2 was nice, but woul've ended up in a drawer thanks to the V-sound and the bass not quite fitting. I understand that's been corrected as well.

Long listening times bring out things that shorter sessions miss entirely, I find.

I recently returned my ie800 as the treble didn't quite work for me. Maybe I'll return to it at a later time.
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