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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2012, 06:51:32 AM »

There's a timbre in the low end people are used to w/ woofers.  Many IEMers consider the overall tonality of a woofer more 'natural' though they do move more air more effortlessly by virtue of surface area.  It's the same thinking like the AKG 340 rather than using a single large estat.

So BA's have trouble with a sense of impact similar to stats?  Do you want a sense of impact in an IEM?   ???


Oh no!  My ES5 BA bass driver hits harder and has more impact than any other IEM I've ever heard.  More so than any headphone even.  LCDx's can't do it either.  ES5 is the only phone that almost knocked me out of my seat and made me duck for cover listening to my Fireworks track.  BA's can kick ass w/ punch and impact.


It's a different, softer, fuller almost woolier bass that extend to sub bass effortlessly.  BA's need more help w/ bigger armatures or multiple clusters to hit full extension.

Sorry to ask something out of topic, but any non-custom that can get close to these (ES5), or closest?
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2012, 03:54:10 PM »

Is there something difficult about bass response for BA's?  What was their rational for a dynamic bass driver, especially if it wound up sounding bloated and disjointed?  The JH13 seemed to have awesome bass from what I remember of the universals I heard. 

I agree with you Maverick.  I think the people reacting negatively towards Purrin's review are people who arent familiar with him and don't know what his reference is, or sonic goals are.  Which is kind of understandable.  If you know his reference and ideal, than Purrin's review is great, because you get it straight and quick and don't have to skim through millions of adjectives.  But if I read a review like that and didn't know the person or what they were comparing to or what they wanted out of a rig, it would mean absolutely nothing to me.   Basically, you're trusting the reviewer's judgement.  So if someone's favorite phones were the GS1000, then it wouldn't work at all (for me)

I don't think that BAs have any issues with bass.  I only have the Monster Turbine Golds as a reference to DD IEMs though.  I haven't heard nearly as many as some other people.  Lots of people on the IEM sub forum always talk about DDs having better timbre but none of the BAs I've owned had timbre issues.  They were all much better than the majority of full size 'phones I've heard in that area and the only DD I have (the MTPG) actually has some issues with timbre.

That's probably not the best reference but if "good" DDs have better timbre than the BAs I've owned then they'd pretty much have to be world class.  I don't have the data to back it up but I'm leaning towards some people just being used to slower and more plodding cheap ported HT subwoofer type bass.  Even a cheap $50 single BA IEM excels in bass texture though you do have to spend a little more to get some more clarity throughout the spectrum.

I think full size headphones tend to do better with tactile impact though.  When I heard the ES5 demo I don't remember it having the kind of bass that Anax mentions but maybe I just didn't get a good fit.  It was awesome otherwise though.  I don't really remember it too well since it was a long time ago but a post I wrote shortly afterwords said I thought it was light and airy but with good bass extension.

I think the only thing really "wrong" with purrin's review is that he didn't explicitly state what his reference was.  If you know where he's coming from then that review tells you a lot.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2012, 04:29:47 PM »

Yeah but he's done more than enough work on there to establish credibility.  If they are buying 1.2k earphones and didn't read the CSD thread then they are to blame. 
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2012, 06:02:35 PM »

I know Music quite well and he's pretty cool on a personal level, he just likes to get set off and jump on anything that seems out of the ordinary.  He'll pull a gun on a shadow and fire off a few rounds before identifying the target.


You sure about that? Looking at his HF profile and lengthy IEM list of several dozen mid-fi units (and everything he's sold), it doesn't seem he knows what he really wants or what he's doing. Odd that he made such a dramatic jump (and I figure early adopter). It almost seems as if he read the AKG marketing materials and got bamboozled by them - and that he really hasn't heard anything better.


But yeah, I need to learn to add two good points for every bad point I make - like how Joker does it. I just read Joker's review and it seems that he pretty much said the same thing I did, but also mentioned the positives. But as you guys know, the instant there's a "showstopper" issue for me, the review is over.

I'll be taking IEM measurements soon, or kill myself trying to do so. Just need the right diameter silicone tube.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2012, 06:29:54 PM »

I know Music quite well and he's pretty cool on a personal level, he just likes to get set off and jump on anything that seems out of the ordinary.  He'll pull a gun on a shadow and fire off a few rounds before identifying the target.


You sure about that? Looking at his HF profile and lengthy IEM list of several dozen mid-fi units (and everything he's sold), it doesn't seem he knows what he really wants or what he's doing. Odd that he made such a dramatic jump (and I figure early adopter). It almost seems as if he read the AKG marketing materials and got bamboozled by them - and that he really hasn't heard anything better.


My comments were about him personally IME via PMs and such.  You have to realize, if even I can even get along w/ RD then anything is possible.  ;D

He's had the ES3x for years so he's been down the custom route.  It's really simple, some people are going to be fine w/ a certain set of criteria for their tastes regardless of whatever metric of improvement you present.  They may even consider those technical improvements to be flaws or less preferable.  Based on something along those lines he's long championed the universal = custom performance = customs overrated/hyped camp.  For me it's silly because any phone can be overrated or hyped regardless of universal/custom, it's just too relative.  Customs just allow for greater volume to utilize a wider array of driver packages and far more specific tuning based on ear and canal shape.  Some manufacturers take advantage of that some don't. 

Music isn't the most congenial on the open forums but he was one of the first and most vocal to attack hype, cost and shilling in the IEM threads.  If he reads something he doesn't agree with and doesn't know where you are coming from, he will think the worst about your intentions.  If you want to get into it he'll dance all night long till it becomes personal and Amos shoots him a PM.  That's just how he is.  It's not incompetence, it's prejudice and bias which we all have to some degree.

We don't agree on everything at all but I know his intentions and he tries to come from a good place.  I used to despise him actually but eventually I came to realize he was one person who I could count on to express an honest opinion based on his criteria and preferences.  You just have to learn where he's coming from.  That's what I did.  He's just a T-Rex in a China shop sometimes whereas I'm like a Rhino.   
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2012, 06:32:35 PM »

Seems quite a few other guys don't like him much...
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2012, 06:41:55 PM »

Seems quite a few other guys don't like him much...


I didn't either.  I know I have quite a 'following' myself  ;)   He's picked a lot of fights and locked a lot of threads.  I guess us A-holes just recognize our own species.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2012, 07:37:08 PM »


You sure about that? Looking at his HF profile and lengthy IEM list of several dozen mid-fi units (and everything he's sold), it doesn't seem he knows what he really wants or what he's doing. Odd that he made such a dramatic jump (and I figure early adopter). It almost seems as if he read the AKG marketing materials and got bamboozled by them - and that he really hasn't heard anything better.

It seems "mid-fi" because he doesn't really like customs all that much and thinks that universals are just as good or better so he mostly sticks to trying out the newest universals.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2012, 08:40:37 PM »

Yeah, but why does someone like Inks (I believe he is into universals too) just emanate more knowledge and mastery of the subject?


I guess us A-holes just recognize our own species.


Except that you don't emanate a certain pathos or needyness - and you can actually hear stuff - making realistic assessments.
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Re: AKG IEM K3003 Comprehensive Review
« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2012, 09:16:02 PM »

Just so you guys know how much I'm out of it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2KHIe8cWXE


WTF?
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