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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51298 times)

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These older? plots are showing worse numbers for various hp-s when converting to the same (dB) scale.
Might it be that the older measurement apparatus is somewhat to fault?
Hard to believe the new HD650 could beat HD800 in lows at THD.

You are right. Looking back , the older method/rig had higher D2 numbers.
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I've always heard the HD650 as slightly more refined and higher fidelity than the HD600, despite having a darker/bassier tone. Do you think that replacing the 600's drivers with a 650 driver could improve things in that regard without shifting the FR? I guess what I'm asking is how much of the HD650's darker tone is inherent to the tuning materials around it vs. the driver itself.....
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Well, let's start by looking at part #'s for the drivers. Are the different? I would assume so.
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I've always heard the HD650 as slightly more refined and higher fidelity than the HD600, despite having a darker/bassier tone. Do you think that replacing the 600's drivers with a 650 driver could improve things in that regard without shifting the FR? I guess what I'm asking is how much of the HD650's darker tone is inherent to the tuning materials around it vs. the driver itself.....

We can always try transplants.
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HD600... http://headphonespares.sennheiser.co.uk/hifi-tv-headphones/hd-600-avantgarde
driver unit #091570 (but this is probably the entire capsule)

HD650... http://headphonespares.sennheiser.co.uk/hifi-tv-headphones/hd-650
capsule  part #092855

So they're different numbers, but the capsules are the entire baffle/driver assembly. I'm not sure if the individual driver element is different, but that's as much as I could dig up.


edit: same numbers here: http://www.custom-cable.co.uk/headphone-spares/capsules/
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Right. 558/598 use the same driver but different baffles so different part#'s. I imagine same practice here. Could be wrong.
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Does anyone know when Sennheiser started shipping that beauty of a headphone in the new (HD 800 style) black boxes? When I had ( :-[ ) a HD 650 years ago it came in a silver box.
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Does anyone know when Sennheiser started shipping that beauty of a headphone in the new (HD 800 style) black boxes? When I had ( :-[ ) a HD 650 years ago it came in a silver box.

Recently I think.... maybe at the end of last year?
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Does anyone know when Sennheiser started shipping that beauty of a headphone in the new (HD 800 style) black boxes?

Well, as a data point, I purchased mine in late December, 2014.  It came in the new black style box with silver drivers.
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FWIW, my HD650 has better measured bass distortion vs. the HD600 I tested at the same SPL. Tyll's HD650 measurements also showed ever-so-slightly better THD on the HD650 vs HD600. When I was experimenting, FR changes with/without this thread's front-page mods primarily affected mid-bass but otherwise were relatively slight differences beyond that. Playing around with damping material beyond that, even going so far as leaving the back damping in place and removing all front damping, still doesn't get results quite like the HD600 (i.e. upper-mid/lower-treble slight emphasis), and the housing appears to be about the same if not identical on both models. I could be wrong on that latter point.

I have to assume the drivers are actually slightly different or at least cherry picked in some way.

Another tweak that might work is putting lower desity open-cell foam sheets in the cups after removing the stock back damping. This should help reduce mid-bass while still providing a more subtle effect vs. putting something directly behind the driver. Just a guess, though. Lower-density or less foam directly behind the driver should work too if you want something in-between. With the front-page mods, though, there is occasionally a smidge too much mid-bass, but I usually just enjoy it for what it is. I generally like some extra (measured) bass or mid-bass myself anyway unless the driver inherently has a ton of bass slam, which I usually only find in planars with huge drivers.
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