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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51298 times)

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riker1384

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Why are so many headphone makers still putting out crap when it's been more than 20 years since the HD580? You would think they could reverse-engineer that and put it in a cosmetically different frame, if they can't come up with something better themselves. Is there some magic trade secret in the manufacturing process?

By the way, are all the bumps in the 650 treble response real or some sort of measurement artifact? Personally I've found the 580 and 650 treble to be a little irritating and not as refined as a good modern speaker, but I've wondered if it's just "revealing bad recordings" or something.

Headphones have good dynamics without breaking the bank, (as opposed to speakers where you have to pay for quality and for quantity & bass) and they avoid room acoustic problems, but personally I think speakers are generally better. Most are garbage compared to speakers, and the best such as the HD650 still have some flaws. I don't buy this "headphones sound as good as speakers at 10x the price" that people say.

I think it's a shame Sennheiser and others don't offer amps with EQ to fix the Senn midbass hump or other flaws, like solderdude is doing with his Sennator. Bose and others use EQ to improve the sound of their noise-canceling phones as can be seen in the active-vs-passive-mode plots at Innerfidelity. They shouldn't leave it to the customers to cobble together solutions. I would think that EQ would make it simple to fix certain problems, where physical changes to a driver might fix one problem and create others at the same time.
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Can you paint the grills on the HD650's? I was thinking a candy apple red color. Since the grills are detachable, if you paint the grills, would it effect the sound?
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I think it's a shame Sennheiser and others don't offer amps with EQ to fix the Senn midbass hump or other flaws, like solderdude is doing with his Sennator. Bose and others use EQ to improve the sound of their noise-canceling phones as can be seen in the active-vs-passive-mode plots at Innerfidelity. They shouldn't leave it to the customers to cobble together solutions. I would think that EQ would make it simple to fix certain problems, where physical changes to a driver might fix one problem and create others at the same time.

I don't think any any manufacturer is going to sell an amp that fixes problems with their headphones. Manufacturers don't like admitting problems like that!

For those of us whose music comes from computers, EQ is so easy, and probably even included in the media player. We can do out own. Wait, did I say, "easy?" Hmmm... access to the tools is easy, getting a really good result might not be.
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I asked this question in the ZD Super thread, but sadly no one would answer my question so I'll ask again here, seeing that people here are also taking about the ZD Super and how it matches with HD650 and HD800.

The ZDSE, which I had owned but sold in lieu of ecp L-2, was a great sounding amp and according to many gurus out here the warmest, most euphonic sounding of the EC lineup. However, despite its warm signature, it ironically had a bright treble peak that didn't do the HD800 any favors.

My question is, aside from sounding superior to the ZDSE across the board, does the ZD Super address its predecessor's treble issue and smooth out the bright sharp sibilance of the HD800 much better? Or is it still there and therefore not an ideal match with HD800?
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^Songmic...I had the original ZD and the ZDSE Super definitely addresses the peak and is more neutral/linear across the whole FR.  Just a touch of euphony or slightly relaxed, it is more neutral without discernable peakiness anywhere but also a touch drier than previous versions.
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@songmic: Sorry, I saw your question earlier in another thread but forgot to answer it.  The stridency was something I also heard with the earlier ZDs. We did a few things to tweak it, namely the use of higher quality caps in critical areas. At this point, I don't feel the ZD is any more strident than the other EC amps, e.g. Studio.

Keep in mind that driver tube will matter. We ran a less warm more neutral 6SL7 at the Bay Area meet. The warmth of the old ZD can still be obtained with the right tube.
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Any way to tell from this?

It looks like you have the new output caps and PS circuit, but not the feedback circuit tweaks. The new ones have less feedback, minor tweaks there, and slightly higher output impedance ~20 ohms at the H position.
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There you go... these LCD's have really put me off chasing the next best headphones...

Also, I don't want to sound like I'm jumping on the Yggy bandwagon hard, but going to the old Angstrom 200 dac was night/day for me with my 650's. It somehow cleans everything up, resolving even more detail, and fixing the treble. Cymbals/percussion sound correct, more like a turntable setup and less like digital crap. (I'm not a hater and much prefer FLAC for the convenience anyway, but this sweetens the deal even more).

Will hear the Yggy in a couple weeks and see how it sounds in comparison.
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All this HD650 talk is making me want to buy one again too...
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I understand this.  Right now I have a system where the HD600 is just sublime.  Tonality, musicality, layering, detail, weight.  Where my modded HD800 seem more resolving and the headstage is bigger, the HD600 present everything closer, more intimately with more L/R stage but layers and a pleasing "thickness" without anything bothering me.  Another surprising step for the HD600 and why it won't go anywhere (again). 
The HD650 with Marv's latest mod tempt, but I'll wait and borrow or compare later.  Bill just measured my HD600 and ultrabike did some time ago, so I will have a couple of graphs to compare to Marv's modded hopefully sometime soon.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are pretty darn close.  But, the HD600 can also be harsh and not that pleasing on some set-ups.  The early HD650 were always too veiled for me, then I started hearing much clearer pairs.  Very interested in these again now.  Will they beat HD600 for me?
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