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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51290 times)

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Nice to see this thread!

I was telling Ravi that my favorite rig at the Bay Area Meet was the Yggy --> ZD Super --> HD600 (I wish the HD650 there was terminated to TRS). I found it much more enjoyable than the Yggy --> EC Studio --> HD800, given my preferences.

Realized that the HD800 just isn't for me, honestly. It is SO impressive on some levels, but I much prefer a HD650 for everyday listening. If I was listening exclusively to classical or LFF-remasters then it may be a different story.

A Geek Out --> HD650 rig has no business being as good as it is for under $500.

I so need to try this mod.


Actually, I agree that rig was amazing. It was my number two behind Yggy > EC Studio > modded HD800s
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I've not heard it personally, and I sold my HD650 long ago due to comfort issues, but I've heard that the Fidelio X2 checks most of the boxes at half the MSRP.  Truth to the rumour?  They look pretty comfy in comparison to the rigid, plastic HD6XX.

I just got the loaner X2 in today. I think they're going for a different sound. HD650 is relatively neutral but with a gentle downward slope (i.e. slight darkness) and a bit of a mid-bass emphasis while not having the most powerful low end. X2 is immediately bassier...just way more powerful sounding in that regard. Mids aren't as lush, and treble not quite as well integrated. In that regard, sounds more U-shaped, but mostly because of bass. Treble has a hint of extra brightness, but, as a whole, mids and treble are pretty good on the X2. Just dat bass is big and on the thick side. I have to say, though, the X2 might have a better soundstage (HD600/650 being a bit too left/right at times), does a pretty decent job with details, but likely won't scale nearly as much and isn't quite as fast sounding due to the bass. It is certainly an engaging listen, but I think it and the HD650 occupy different spaces.

Comfort wise, HD650 clamps more out of the box. X2 clamps too, but doesn't start hurting until later on. Both are fixable and equally comfortable after doing so with me giving a nod to the X2 in overall ergonomics.
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My impressions of the X2 are pretty much the same as Hans'. The X2 is much bassier and slopes down harder before the first treble blip, giving that V shape sound. I think the HD6xx are cleaner overall. Personally I give the comfort nod to the X2.

Out of the box for a casual listener, I think the X2 would be preferable. Extra points for not needing an amp, and it doesn't really scale much.
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Long time HD650 fanboy checking in. Good to see the love here for this classic headphone.
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How would it fare with the Modi 2U/Vali combo?
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How would it fare with the Modi 2U/Vali combo?

Haven't heard the Modi but I had the Vali alongside the Mjolnir for some time. Both amps were hooked up to my NAD M51. The Vali held its own against Mjolnir. Main differences were more slam in the bass region from the MJ and a slightly wider stage. I found the Vali a touch smoother though, with that slight tubey sheen/ambience that seems to marry well with the HD650's signature. The Ragnarok I have now provides the best of both amps.
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I just tried doing the mods that Marv suggested on the first page. That is, removing the damping directly behind the driver and cutting a small hole in the foam in front of the driver. Highly recommended! This doesn't really improve the very lowest bass all that much, but it does bring up that hump centered around 100Hz a tad and may even shift it down a bit closer to 80Hz. They sound much more lively and impactful now in this regard. This also really helped with some of the odd grain I noticed in the treble before. I noticed before when adding damping inside the HD650 cups (in addition to the stuff directly behind the driver), it did something weird to the treble despite measurements looking good or staying about the same in the upper regions. I was actually using additional front damping before this to boost the bass and help reduce that grain I noticed, but removing the back damping foam stuck behind the driver works a LOT better and actually allows one to cut down on the front damping from the stock config. So, in a nutshell, try the mods on the front page.

One small thing I added to these mods, though, was putting some rug liner on top of the silver mesh surrounding the driver, under the existing foam. This is only cut to cover the mesh, so it's much smaller than the foam, and has an opening in the middle where the driver is exposed. Essentially, this boosts the bass a wee bit and helps smooth out some of the "wiggles" in the treble. It's a very slight change.

Attached a quick measurement of the left channel after these tweaks. My particular HD650 has better distortion in the bass than my HD600 did, but it's still not the best I've seen. Still could do a lot worse. My pads are also a bit worn. New pads will lower the bass a bit and bring up some of the treble.
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I once tried replacing the foam cover with thinner panty hose fabric cut to the same shape. It made the HD650 a touch more lively but I didn't appreciate the slight etch that surfaced.


The odd grain in the upper regions that hans mentions has irked me at times with the stock HD650. I might give Marv's mod a trial later. What's the diameter of the hole you cut in the foam?
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Yeah, I took some brief measurements without the front foam. Bass dropped a lot. Treble got a bit weirder. Didn't even bother listening.

So, yes, try the mods Marv mentioned in the first post. I don't know what the diameter of the hole was...I just put the HD650 under some light and drew a circle over in marker where I could see the driver opening (very middle portion of the driver). Cut it out from there with everything disassembled, to prevent foam crap from getting in the driver opening.

If that's still not enough in terms of that slight, hard-to-explain grain, try the liner directly over the silver mesh and under the stock foam. Might help.
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For cleanly cutting a hole in the foam:  I used to take a hammer w/ a socket wrench bolt (that's roughly the size of the driver opening) to the foam.. easy peazy.
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