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Yggdrasil Measurements
« on: May 13, 2015, 05:09:42 AM »

Take with a grain of salt. Using Focusrite POS. Input is 16/96 (with gain shoved up), so might be some aliasing. Low noise floor, but quite a bit of crap in the treble. Ignore the uV - I didn't calibrate. However, it does give us some idea what is going on.

16 and 24 bit data -90db undithered 1kHz sine wave
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2015, 01:52:55 PM »

I will never know how the first three hours of the yggdrasil sounded as I let the DAC warm up for an hour and proceeded to make technical measurements. If the measurements presented are familiar territory, then you should be as impressed as I am. If such graphs are not familiar, then please note that these graphs are  extended, some down to -160 dB for example. Extreme. Much farther than most other graphs you will see elsewhere on other DACs on the internet or in brochures. So be careful when making comparisons. Watch the X and Y axes in other data. The graphs presented here are not marketing graphs. They have not been prettied up as is often the case in mainstream consumer goods.
 
Schiit has specifications for these measurements published on their website and in their operating instructions. In my measurements, my yggdrasil measured better than Schiit's conservative specifications in every single measurement. Every single one. Well done Schiit!
 
Commentary added to the end of this post.
 
The data presented were collected as follows:
 
1.  PrismSound dScope III, picoscope 2205, FLIR E63900
2.  DAC balanced output used for measurements except oscilloscope square wave response which used unbalanced output
3.  100 Kohm load used for measurements
4.  44 KHz  sample rate, 24 bit depth
5.  USB input - cables to go USB cable
6.  Balanced cables Tecnec Canare starquad Neutrik XLR cables
7.  Unbalance cable BlueJeans Belden RCA
8.  Vaunix Lab Brick USB hub
 
Commentary:

By now, some of you probably have noted the THD+N graph may not be the lowest ever seen.
 
The THD+N graph measures artificially high due to a driver / OS interaction on my computer. An update will be forthcoming.
 
Designers are often faced with trade-offs for various reasons. I believe the Schiit design team has made trade-offs that result in best auditory experience over best measurements possible on all fronts. I have a colleague who gives a "13 dB miracle" demonstration showing that SNR isn't the best predictor of auditory experience. So THD+N may not be that influencial on the final sound while jitter may have a bigger effect. Those of you who will reference the 1992 and 1998 AES papers on the topic of jitter may note that no trained subjects were used to determine the masking thresholds. With many more listeners now well experienced in digital audio listening we might see much lower thresholds if the experiments were repeated today and trained listeners employed.
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2015, 01:54:28 PM »

Sorry to spread this over multiple posts. More measurements from 3 hr on time.
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2015, 02:07:05 PM »

Yggdrasil measured at 408 hrs on time.

Test setup is same as described for the measurements taken at 3 hrs on time with the following exception: A PicoScope 5243B was used in place of the 2205. The 5243B has 15 bit 2 ch ADC capability and higher sample rates than the 8 bit ADC used on the 2205.

I will try to include a few extra screenshots though this posting system only allows 8 per post and I only reserved two posts for these measurements. Most measurements were so close to the original to be considered of no consequential change. Except one spectacular change. If the 3 hr on time jitter spectrum was impressive, take a look at the 408 hr on time jitter spectrum. OMG! My congratulations to Mike Moffat. That is a truly impressive achievement!

The THD+N graph measures artificially high due to a driver / OS interaction on my computer. An update will be forthcoming.
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2015, 02:09:29 PM »

Holy shit, perfect 3 steps and no ringing due to gibb's phenomenon. The closed form filter works.
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2015, 02:12:45 PM »

Yggdrasil measurements at 408 hrs on time, part B.
I have included a 1KHz -70 dBFS time domain signal to demonstrate that the blib seen in the -90 dBFS version is pretty insignificant.
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2015, 06:17:54 PM »

On the 1 kHz, what are those "blips" at the 0 transitions?
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2015, 06:36:07 PM »

Crossover distortion.
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2015, 06:40:45 PM »

Makes sense. I can see it in Marv's plots too, but the Focusrite may be masking it a bit due to noise at the interface. The 2i2 I have has some line in gain knobs that can alleviate the problem if properly adjusted. But that's a pain in the butt and even then it may still be noisy.

Holy shit, perfect 3 steps and no ringing due to gibb's phenomenon. The closed form filter works.

Based on the time domain ringing period it's about 22 kHz BW (in agreement with the 44 kHz sampling rate settings). Would be interesting to see the FR all the way to say 96 kHz or more. It is not a perfect sinc but perhaps something else that alleviates ringing with a slower/smoother FR roll off.
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Re: Yggdrasil Measurements
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2015, 07:18:30 PM »

Crossover distortion.

Indeed, not very severe though.
All 'normal' ladders have it in some severity.
Only with signed magnitude it isn't obvious as it isn't in the 0V line, instead it has 2 of them at the -6dBFS points.
It is only possible to 'see' it when you zoom in on that point. Nobody is going to.
It may be less audible in SM because in softer passages as there is no 0 crossing and the signals would be well below -6dB or even -12dB.

impressive jitter figures...




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