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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #100 on: April 22, 2015, 08:25:43 PM »

The latest twist in my friend's ongoing Angie saga:

"Okay so… this is absolutely bizarre, but it feels like the channel imbalance went away. Not sure if it’s my brain adjusting to it. I’ve been using them on and off for the last few days so they’ve probably got about maybe… 10-15 hours on them? I’ll have to get the second pair in to see how that one compares.

I just got my FiiO interconnect in today so I’ve got the Leckerton connected to the Geek Out like before. I have way more play with the Leckerton’s pot now since I can control the GO’s output like a line in vs. the internal DAC on the Leckerton which is just too loud off the bat.

Anyway, will spend the coming days getting acquainted with thing. It was just today that I realized the imbalance went away. I must admit, this is a really impressive phone, but I’m not sure I prefer this to the EQ-8 to be honest. It bests the EQ-8 in a few areas (including treble, vocals, overall detail, bass extension), but the EQ-8 is still the more engaging phone to me. The Angie’s midrange is noticeably more laid-back/recessed to me. It honestly does remind me of the 1Plus2 in that respect, which is another phone I struggled to connect with. The EQ-8 is quite a bit more forward, and yet sounds every bit as tall/wide and somehow even more open. Perfect blend of euphonic/technical traits which makes it quite tough to beat."


I haven't heard the Ortofon e-Q8 myself, but at some point in the not so distant future I will be auditioning Mr Uncool's (aka james444's) set. Now, both my friend and The Crass Dude (aka Mr shotgunshane) absolutely love the Ortofons. According to Mr Uncool, though, the Ortofons are a kind of improved ER4S, but in his view not the best universal he's heard (he was never very fond of the ER4S, fwiw). The Ortofons, BTW, apparently are very source dependant due to impedance issues.

Haven't heard the 1Plus2 either, but several people who have heard/owned both it and the K3003 have pointed out the latter's mids were a little more forward/less recessed. FWIW, I (and a number of people) find the tonal balance of the K3003 & HD800 very close — I don't find the Angie's mids more recessed than the Senns or AKGs.

I did find the channel imbalance strange with Angie. Firstly, sometimes it seemed to be a volume mismatch, but sometimes it seemed to be a instrument&vocal centering problem. It was most present when Angie was so uncomfortable for me. I used th e medium foam tip for the best seal, and initially my ears hurt. Also a lot of cable noise. Then I set out to play with the insertion and rotated the ear pieces to find the sweet spot for fit. Then after about two weeks, thing got better. My ears no longer hurt, and the channel imbalance seemed gone. Also gone the cable noise. To this day the Angies seemed fine for me - but because no one has listened to my Angies, nobody can verify these thoughts. So occasionally I still suspect it's only my ears got used to the imbalance. But when I'm sure the imbalance isn't there, the Angies are immensely enjoyable.
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2015, 12:02:37 AM »

EQ8 is pretty good, UERM (mine anyway) is better still as my tastes lean toward transparent honesty where possible.

As I posted above somewhere, not surprised the channel imbalance on a new CIEM went away over time. Been there, done that.

I'd also say the 800 being tonally similar to the 3003 is likely more to do with upstream choices than anything. It's simply chameleon. I can make the 800 sound like a poorly sealed ER4S easily with a DACPort or make them more like a richer Noble using a Leben.

Here's hoping this sweet loving sparrow doesn't open a can of worms…

I'm convinced AKG attempted and strived to create an IEM that came, sonically, as close as possible to the HD800s; I think, by and large, they succeeded and though the AKGs are not everyone's favourite, or even that highly regarded by some, I do think they've stood the test of time (3.5 years now) very well, even when they don't come with a detachable cable, one aspect that's certainly prevented several people from acquiring a pair. (FWIW, I sold my TG334, IE800, SE846 and have kept my now 3.5-year-old AKGs)

Now, I don't doubt the HD800s are quite the chameleon, but I maintain that tonally both phones are very close, a view shared by more than a handful of people — no small feat, in my view, for such a small, truly portable phone.
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2015, 04:18:39 AM »

Here's hoping this sweet loving sparrow doesn't open a can of worms…

I'm convinced AKG attempted and strived to create an IEM that came, sonically, as close as possible to the HD800s; I think, by and large, they succeeded and though the AKGs are not everyone's favourite, or even that highly regarded by some, I do think they've stood the test of time (3.5 years now) very well, even when they don't come with a detachable cable, one aspect that's certainly prevented several people from acquiring a pair. (FWIW, I sold my TG334, IE800, SE846 and have kept my now 3.5-year-old AKGs)

Now, I don't doubt the HD800s are quite the chameleon, but I maintain that tonally both phones are very close, a view shared by more than a handful of people — no small feat, in my view, for such a small, truly portable phone.

Well, you can find more than a handful of people describing the HD800 every possible way. Sure, I don't doubt that people feel that way. Saying the HD800 is closest to the 3003 or was it's target response curve is more of a stretch claim to me. I'd say the K3003 sounds closer to a Beyer T1 than an HD800 based on my ears and also some of the measurements I've seen. The HD800 has more of a treble shelf whereas the 3003 and T1 have more narrow banded treble peaks and both are a little more mid bassy than the 800 which is more neutral and extended. There are other differences beyond FR too but we'll keep it simple for now.
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2015, 08:03:15 AM »


There are other differences beyond FR too but we'll keep it simple for now.


I was specifically talking about tonal balance, so we can keep it simple for a long while.
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2015, 03:43:26 PM »

Shoot the sparrow twice

Oh dear, things seem to be going downhill for the mighty Laylas…all the while, Mr proedros, who came here desperate to learn a thing or two about the Angies after having recently acquired the K3003s, is now making enquiries about the e-Q8s (!) after the sparrow's comments in this thread...instead of, or rather than, at least having the decency to thank the humble sparrow for the (rather mediocre) K3003 & Angie comparison Mr proedros had requested —  but, then again, Mr Combitoob didn't have the decency, either, to say a quick "Cheers matey" when he wanted the sparrow's take on the Angie review Mr Combitoob had linked to (one has to wonder who Mr Combitoob is)...

So, in the interest of saving the world, ie keep providing my wonderful 21-year-old daughter with a half-decent education, I'd like to kindly ask the following: Would those very reputable & venerable Pirates, as well as Mr Tyll, The Crass Dude, Mr uncool, MuppetFace & tomscy2000 wait a few months (a year perhaps?) until they give their Angie's impressions and/or show all manner of graphs & measurements?

Shills and hypists, after all, are also human beings.

PS: I never had a friend who got a pair of Angies with channel imbalance or laid-back/recessed mids.

http://grooveshark.com/s/It+s+No+Game/3JVGoB?src=5
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #105 on: April 23, 2015, 06:27:22 PM »

Shoot the sparrow twice

Oh dear, things seem to be going downhill for the mighty Laylas…all the while, Mr proedros, who came here desperate to learn a thing or two about the Angies after having recently acquired the K3003s, is now making enquiries about the e-Q8s (!) after the sparrow's comments in this thread...instead of, or rather than, at least having the decency to thank the humble sparrow for the (rather mediocre) K3003 & Angie comparison Mr proedros had requested —  but, then again, Mr Combitoob didn't have the decency, either, to say a quick "Cheers matey" when he wanted the sparrow's take on the Angie review Mr Combitoob had linked to (one has to wonder who Mr Combitoob is)...


i forgot to thank you , my bad  ahoy

angie looks interesting , but too much money for now

eq8 looks good but someone said it's not worth getting both the eq8 and the K3

decisions.....
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #106 on: April 23, 2015, 11:01:19 PM »

whoops! I'm a med student that has been absolutely swamped lately!  I did read your interpretation of the review I linked, and it was much appreciated.  I'm sure it took a while to type it all out.  A belated thank you!
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #107 on: April 24, 2015, 11:35:08 PM »

Today marks two weeks with the Angies. Further impressions:

Although my (imaginary) friend's set may or may not have channel imbalance (he doesn't seem to be sure), my pair does not. And though he seems to perceive the midrange as laid-back/recessed, my ears clearly tell me this is not the case. I'm wondering whether in my (imaginary) friend's wish to dislike a JH product (not unlike the sparrow in that regard), he got a bit overly excited by SGS and a couple of other people's claims that the Laylas have recessed mids and somewhat hot treble and kinda started hearing the Angies this way. Perhaps his e-Q8s he's been listening to a lot lately, in comparison, have slightly forward mids? The Angie, to him, did sound weird from the get go, but then he kinda warmed up to them and went ahead to get a second set.

Now, with that out of the way, things I've been noticing with the Angies:

Bass, in a nutshell, is brilliant: These have really very good extension and it's great to hear deep low notes without them being overbearing, rattling your brain or sounding loose, particularly in the low bass region (not subbass). The bass has excellent transients, this is a phone that is pretty fast but not too/unnaturally fast, ie note decay is very dynamic-driver like, clean, and with notes very well delineated.

Midrange: I maintain it's superb. Measurements may later show the sparrow has been talking out of his rear end — I'm prepared to lose face and get (plenty of) egg on my, er, face. Not only do I detect plenty of detail and nuances in the midrange—how difficult it is to get this much out this part of the spectrum—, but I've also noticed, surprisingly, that I'm making out lyrics I sometimes had a bit of difficulty with, and, funnily enough, this has happened mostly when I'm not really that focused on the music itself, ie not analysing the sonics but simply enjoying the music...immensely.

Note thickness: This is an aspect that's caught my eye several times because it seems simply awfully right, natural.

No mention of the upper registers because they remain just as impressive as day one. Once again, note thickness, timbre and decay are simply astounding.

I have no doubt the Orpheus, SR-009, Abyss, as well as the LCD XYZABC-1,2,3,4,5, the HD800 with God knows which amp, DAC and respective mod are a step up from the Angie but my ears tell me this IEM is a top, top performing ear/headphone, and a joy to listen to music through them — certainly the best IEM I've ever heard.

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Track+09/2GIXun?src=5
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #108 on: April 27, 2015, 04:29:08 PM »

I'm sure many here know Jethro Tull's Aqualung (the album), but perhaps not that many have heard Steven Wilson's 2011 re-mastered edition of this great album. Those who truly appreciate Aqualung should get a copy of this particular edition (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aqualung-40th-Anniversary-Special-Edition/dp/B00EMKVCWO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top).

The Angies do a mighty fine job rendering the whole album.

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Locomotive+Breath/4ginSx?src=5
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #109 on: April 27, 2015, 09:51:26 PM »

music , since i like your posts (you almost single-handedly got me to get K3003) and i get you dig some of the music i dig (intelligent music mostly) , i will give you a heads-up on the best sonic source around these days - save your money on all these hot-shot remasters etc

vinyl rips.

(pm'ed)
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