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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2015, 12:23:11 AM »

Fwiw, I had channel imbalance on my ES5s out of the gate but it went away after a 2-3 weeks somehow. Maybe water drained out of my ear one night. Or a Ceti Eel larva from Wrath of Khan...

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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2015, 02:42:10 AM »

music: Could you please try listening to the copies that you have locally one more time? Then the tracks that were posted in the thread to double-check? I think you have good ears and this sort of thing shouldn't be escaping you. This is not what I would consider a subtle difference
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2015, 04:19:08 AM »

I had trouble with channel imbalances on most of my CIEMs.. 
I figured my ears are imbalanced..  LOL

Too much calling and answering calls using my right ear...
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2015, 10:31:38 PM »

music: Could you please try listening to the copies that you have locally one more time? Then the tracks that were posted in the thread to double-check? I think you have good ears and this sort of thing shouldn't be escaping you. This is not what I would consider a subtle difference

Ok, let me clarify (for you, at least) that locally I only have a FLAC rip of the original 1987 CD pressing, I don't have the 2006 remaster myself. Yesterday, I only compared my FLAC rip to the Grooveshark 2006 remaster.

I have now compared my 1987 (FLAC) version to the YouTube version, which is indeed the same 1987 version (I hadn't listened to the latter until now, since you asked me to). These two are practically identical but the YouTube version sounds a hair more compressed.

So, basically, my comments still stand. I will concede, though, that they (the 1987 & 2006 versions) are not "almost identical" sounding as I stated yesterday, but they're still pretty close and certainly, to these ears at least, not as vastly different as Anaxilus described them (when volume-matched, of course). The 2006 version is a bit brighter, but the dynamic range is very, very similar.

So, anyone who wants to compare both links may feel free to do so and post their findings here, and either agree with Anaxilus that, when volume-matched, they're quite/very different, in which case The Fragile Sparrow's ears are a mess, or agree with music_4321 that while different sounding, they're still pretty close, in which case the chirping sparrow's ears aren't completely foocked.


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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #74 on: April 17, 2015, 10:47:25 PM »

As for my friend's Angies, I got the following early this morning (morning in Europe, last night in the US):

"...and believe me, there is most definitely a channel imbalance issue. I tried them earlier with a podcast and the voices are clearly biased towards the left channel. I most definitely have a good seal in place. Music of all types just feels completely wrong, it’s enormously distracting. Not a good first impression but I’m rather intrigued by the overall tonal balance. From what I CAN hear, this does seem like a phone that would be up my alley. What I’m most curious about, is how it stacks up to the EQ-8 tho. With the bass dials set to 0 dB it actually felt quite similar to the Ortofon. I’ll try to fiddle with it some more tomorrow."
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2015, 11:31:45 PM »

I had trouble with channel imbalances on most of my CIEMs.. 
I figured my ears are imbalanced..  LOL

Too much calling and answering calls using my right ear...


Ear wax maybe?  :)p8
It can enter the sound tube  ;)
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2015, 11:33:20 PM »

So, basically, my comments still stand. I will concede, though, that they (the 1987 & 2006 versions) are not "almost identical" sounding as I stated yesterday, but they're still pretty close and certainly, to these ears at least, not as vastly different as Anaxilus described them (when volume-matched, of course). The 2006 version is a bit brighter, but the dynamic range is very, very similar.

Ok, so I think you're hearing it but maybe your references are off. The dynamic range is not what I would consider similar at all. What you're hearing as brightness is probably the compression we're talking about. It does make things seem brighter in a certain sense. I was going to try to get DR readouts for both masters but a quick web search didn't reveal where I might be able to download each file. I might try to grab CD copies of each, just for you my feathered friend.
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #77 on: April 18, 2015, 12:17:48 AM »

Ear wax maybe?  :)p8
It can enter the sound tube  ;)

But sparrows do not secrete ear wax!

Ok, so I think you're hearing it but maybe your references are off. The dynamic range is not what I would consider similar at all. What you're hearing as brightness is probably the compression we're talking about. It does make things seem brighter in a certain sense. I was going to try to get DR readouts for both masters but a quick web search didn't reveal where I might be able to download each file. I might try to grab CD copies of each, just for you my feathered friend.

Not sure what you mean when you say "your references are off", but, er, ok…

"What you're hearing as brightness is probably the compression we're talking about. It does make things seem brighter in a certain sense" —— Don't think I fully agree with you there, or perhaps we agree but express things differently. When you compress things dynamically, basically, as far as I see it, everything becomes similarly loud (quiet bits become loud and loud bits remain, er, loud). Now, things can be loud and still be darker/warmer sounding, but, admittedly, that's not very common. I believe that often treble levels have been gradually raised in recordings or remasters in the last 20 years or so (rather than, or apart from merely, compressing DR) to give an artificial (or a better) sense of detail, or simply as a means to allow people to discern more when everything sounds similarly loud, particularly as far too many people listen to music on the go (or in loud environments), many of whom are using canal phones (earbuds)—phones that do not isolate (much [at all]).

I myself listen to plenty of classical music, but find, for instance, that classical music while driving is NOT satisfying at all (background/engine/street noise being the culprit here). For classical music on the go (with earphones), good isolation is critical...but I guess this is obvious to those who listen to this kind of music.
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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #78 on: April 18, 2015, 12:39:18 AM »

I'm just bloody upset no-one's buying the Angies after all my efforts and hype in this thread, and the only person who has—a friend, no less!—, well, he's having bloody fit issues, perhaps a faulty unit…or these are mere excuses to simply carefully break it to this now terribly fragile sparrow that these phones are...utter crap.

You've gotten me interested. Unfortunately, the JH3A debacle, their patent suit against another small-time IEM player, some customer service issues (reported here), and my own lukewarm impressions of the JH13FP (hyped by Jude) and other JH IEMs makes me choose to sit on the sidelines and wait until the dust settles. Your friend's channel balance issues don't help either.

Btw, my comment about the V200 is genuine. Not about pissing matches. That thing blows for any ToTL transducer. Out of its league. I'm just analyzing your argument and technique.

Let's have OJ have a listen and maybe others to comment further shall we...

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Re: JH Audio Angie (Universal)
« Reply #79 on: April 18, 2015, 02:15:44 AM »

You've gotten me interested. Unfortunately, the JH3A debacle, their patent suit against another small-time IEM player, some customer service issues (reported here), and my own lukewarm impressions of the JH13FP (hyped by Jude) and other JH IEMs makes me choose to sit on the sidelines and wait until the dust settles. Your friend's channel balance issues don't help either.

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A very good friend who demoed the original non-FP JH13 (before the JH-3A fiasco) and UERM (before it became every pirate's darling) preferred the Ultimate Ears and purchased a set. He made two brief comments after I sent him my initial Angie impressions, the second of which was: "Kinda surprised you went for those. That guy [JH] won't get a cent from me as a matter of principle…"

While most certainly not a proud owner of a JHA product (not ashamed either), and cringing away after seeing several comments/posts by a so-called "contributor", plus a couple of puking-inducing comments of a sexual nature (I'm certainly not afraid of, or threatened by, sex or women) by a "moderator", a few months ago in a place we're all familiar with, I…

A comment I made to a friend yesterday: "All this sex & car talk just gets to me and gets old very quickly... Is it a requirement to have a wet dream on a daily basis to join HF, I wonder?"
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