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Author Topic: Alpha Dog Prime - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements  (Read 16285 times)

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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2015, 05:44:03 AM »

Did you take any measurements? I emailed Dan about possibly sending this pair to him to check again. Haven't heard back from him yet though.

If you did take measurements, would you mind if I shared the measurements with Dan just so I can back up my comment to him that these still sounded really weird. Strings sounded tonally off to me as well. It's like everybody was playing with nasally sounding instruments.

I suppose I'm asking Marv as well. Didn't want to share your work without permission.

Sorry mang, didn't take measurements and didn't take the cans with me. I can go pick them up @ OJs during the weekend and run them through my rig.

Also, AFAIK you can use measurements here w/o any trouble.

You are absolutely right. These cans are broken somehow. They were pretty bad.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2015, 05:52:55 AM »

who's supposed to be next on the loaner list?

Either way it's a good idea for ultra to measure them to confirm.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2015, 05:57:45 AM »

who's supposed to be next on the loaner list?

Either way it's a good idea for ultra to measure them to confirm.

List is quite long...

Clemmaster is supposed to get them next from the list.

- Ultrabike / OJneg (Socal)
- ClemMaster (Socal)
- Original Ken (Central CA)
- RingingEars (Norcal)
- Hans (Colorado)
- TMRaven (Texas)
- Aufmerksam (Wisconsin)
- Azteca X (Ohio)
- Colgin (NY)
- EraserXIV (East Coast)

If it's not too much trouble Ultra, could you get another set of measurements done? Not that I don't trust Marv's measurements, but measurements should help confirm anything weird you hear.

I'll ping Dan again tomorrow and see if he's willing to take another look...
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2015, 06:00:29 AM »

Will get them, measure and ship 'em out as soon as possible. Need to ship a bunch of cans tomorrow as well.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2015, 02:24:30 AM »

Sounds like AM radio. You could not pay me to listen to these. poo

Recommended for anyone wanting to add lossy compression artifacts to their music.

Pirate tip to 'Prime' your current rig and save money. PEQ your current phones to flat and convert your entire music library to 64kbps mp3. It'll probably sound better and you'll gain tons of storage space.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2015, 03:07:18 AM »

Recommended for anyone wanting to add lossy compression artifacts to their music. 64kbps

Always hard to drive to put your finger on something, but "lossy compression / 64kbps" is a very apt description of what I heard - in addition to the FR issues OJ and Gil mentioned. Whatever was done to the driver was not good.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2015, 04:10:37 AM »

OK, OK, it looks like we totally screwed up.  While I don't know about your measurement process the description of the sound simply makes it clear we've got a real problem with the unit.

This headphone was sent back for repair, it was instantly obvious it had not been finished and was shipped incorrectly.  That can only have been my error and is totally our fault. We repaired it and at the time it passed the basic test set, but what you are describing sounds so totally awful and wrong that it is clear this is still a total dud.  I am not going to guess what happened. 

Please ship it back to me so I can troubleshoot it and repair or replace it. 

No_One, sorry man.  We don't mess up often, I hope, but if we do we will own it.

Dan
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2015, 05:43:59 PM »

Just send another one to these guys. I am certain they will return it. TBH I would have liked to read impressions or see measurements of the original defective unit that NoOne411 and marvey first heard in the Bay Area. It is good to have a "control" pair on hand as well as a new one that isn't a dud.

Makes sense to me.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2015, 05:49:08 PM »

Once I save up for a balanced pair of slants and sell the regular version, I am tempted to pick up a pair of alpha primes for us to measure to see if there are production inconsistencies.
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Re: Alpha Dog Primes - Stream of Consciousness and Eventual Measurements
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2015, 08:41:28 PM »

I wanted to directly address the question of distortion.  Here is a set of measurements of a T50RP (Green), an Alpha Dog (Red), and an Alpha Prime  I made this morning using our standard production test fixture, which overstates THD, as you will see below.  These units were grabbed from inventory and I made one and only one set of measurements on one set of each phone, no cherry picking. 



When we use our in-house test fixtures, our worst case results look like the red or blue.  There is a spike that can occur at 500Hz; it is random on Fostex drivers and is not affected by our tuning or processing, and it is almost entirely second order and therefore relatively benign.  On about half the headphones it is totally absent.  I suspect it has to do with driver alignment to the magnets or within the driver frame but we have not found a way to isolate this. 

That said, we have done extensive listening tests and this is not audible to us with music so as long as the peak is narrow and under 2% it’s considered a pass.  For those of you familiar with Innerfidelity’s measurements you know that many TOTL headphones have at least one spike that pops well over 1%, some as high as 10%, so this is neither unusual nor something we consider a problem.

When we measure on a G.R.A.S. 45CA we find the THD measures improve.  Green and Blue = Prime, Red = TOTL Dynamic headphone, >$1K USD (it's a well regarded product I'm using only as a reference so it'll remain anonymous but the results are consistent with Innerfidelity).  Further, at 90dB, the Prime's THD, aside from the 1-2 peaks, is ~0.2%, which is extremely presentable for a genuinely closed can.

From our tests it's clear that better measurement systems reduce measured THD, while marginal or low quality fixtures add distortion that is not present in the actual signal, so it’d help to understand exactly what you’re using when you measure.

Here are photos of the G.R.A.S. 45CA and our production test jig.



Note: our fixture is designed to deliver a precise fit to our phones so our measurements are extremely repeatable and consistent.  All our microphones are calibrated, and our A/D converters are 24/192.

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