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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #640 on: June 18, 2015, 07:17:38 PM »
Quote from: borrego on June 18, 2015, 07:05:00 PM
I actually chose the T1 over the HD800 when I made my last purchase, all because I know I will end up pouring much more money to keep scaling up the HD800. T1 is good for my purpose and keeping the budget in control... I know it does not make any sense for all you here.

FWIW I bought my T1 brand new for YEN83000 before shipping.


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That does not make sense, especially in light of your imaging argument. I understand the concept of intentionally hobbling yourself for the sake of budget control (even if I don't agree...) but even out of mid-level amps, the HD800 is better in almost every conceivable way than the T1. Also, I haven't heard a headphone that images better than the HD800.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #641 on: June 18, 2015, 07:22:31 PM »
Quote from: aufmerksam on June 18, 2015, 07:17:38 PM
:-Z

That does not make sense, especially in light of your imaging argument. I understand the concept of intentionally hobbling yourself for the sake of budget control (even if I don't agree...) but even out of mid-level amps, the HD800 is better in almost every conceivable way than the T1. Also, I haven't heard a headphone that images better than the HD800.

The HD800 also demand good quality recordings. Many of the music I liked (e.g. Mandarin pop) are not available in particularly well mastered form (i.e. clearly out of phase DSP effects annoy me a lot)

I must say well proportioned scaling is also one of my requirement in imaging. I once tried listening to a Bach Harpsichord track (can't remember which) on a HD800, and the Harpsichord sounded like it is 5 meters in length across the stage. Could be due to particular recording.

For T1, the image is much smaller/condensed, often come down to a miniature point source. But as least it is not "super sized" distracting.

I think I am still at mid-fi level, avoiding distraction more often than adding enhancement.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #642 on: June 18, 2015, 07:25:43 PM »
Quote from: aufmerksam on June 18, 2015, 07:17:38 PM
:-Z

That does not make sense, especially in light of your imaging argument. I understand the concept of intentionally hobbling yourself for the sake of budget control (even if I don't agree...) but even out of mid-level amps, the HD800 is better in almost every conceivable way than the T1. Also, I haven't heard a headphone that images better than the HD800.

I dunno. Even out of mid-fi amps the T1 is far less picky. A T1 pretty much sounds like a T1 most of the time. Using any given Burson, CEntrance, RWA, Oppo, Bakoon, etc. the HD800 could run the entire gamut of possible listening displeasure.

He does bring up a good point about Mandarin pop too. Though I do have some rather high quality Asian music from China and Vietnam but none of it is pop.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #643 on: June 18, 2015, 07:41:15 PM »
Stupid question, but is the MA100 referred to above the Sony MDR MA100?  And are these discontinued?
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #644 on: June 18, 2015, 07:51:23 PM »
Quote from: Anaxilus on June 18, 2015, 07:25:43 PM
I dunno. Even out of mid-fi amps the T1 is far less picky. A T1 pretty much sounds like a T1 most of the time. Using any given Burson, CEntrance, RWA, Oppo, Bakoon, etc. the HD800 could run the entire gamut of possible listening displeasure.

I see your point, but I'm saying its not like you HAVE to buy an $2000 amp to enjoy the HD800, but at least you have the option later. T1 may be less picky in a lot of ways, but I don't think it would sound better than the HD800, especially in the imaging department. On the issue of Madarin Pop, I absolutely lack relevant experience.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #645 on: June 18, 2015, 08:05:25 PM »
You are right, there are much more vialble alternatives below $2K for the HD800 now. It was really really bad choices back in the day when the B22 was the default recommendation.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #646 on: June 18, 2015, 08:12:29 PM »
Quote from: aufmerksam on June 18, 2015, 07:51:23 PM
I see your point, but I'm saying its not like you HAVE to buy an $2000 amp to enjoy the HD800, but at least you have the option later. T1 may be less picky in a lot of ways, but I don't think it would sound better than the HD800, especially in the imaging department. On the issue of Madarin Pop, I absolutely lack relevant experience.

To illustrate, I tell you my choice of my other hobby.

I chose buying a Suzuki SV650 over a GSXR600 even though I could afford the initial purchase price. The GSXR600 has better suspensions, rev quicker, corners better, with more upgrades available. The GSXR600 scales up just like the HD800 does.

But I figured out I would have the same amount of enjoyment cornering my the SV650 at 50km/h compares to cornering the GSXR600 at 70km/h (because my fears kicks in). Thus I chose the SV650.

But my point is not the T1 is better than the HD800. I still think the T1 is better than the HE-560 overall, especially when considering the build quality/variation/revision factors... and the T1 and the HE-560 are similarly priced now.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #647 on: June 18, 2015, 08:31:29 PM »
Give it up. This ain't HF where everything you like is awesome.

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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #648 on: June 18, 2015, 08:38:24 PM »
Quote from: borrego on June 18, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
better than the HE-560 overall, especially when considering the build quality/variation/revision factors...

What evidence or personal anecdotes of this do you have of this?

I have listened to and/or measured no less than four HE-560s and a dozen T1s. The HE-560s have all been consistent. The only thing cheap-ass about the HE-560 is the veneer, and from what I hear, that was because idiots on HF were bitching about the use of wood on the protos.

The T1s sounded all over the place. The construction of the T1 is no better than the DT880, other than a few external cosmetic touches. The insides of the T1 have no damping. The T1's treble is pure shit. Even if you EQ, the metallic timbre comes through. T1 bass also has issues with cavernous resonance issues.

Please explain better on what merits the T1 should be on the Leaderboard, other that that it suits your budget and 40db low SPL listening needs personally. Good soundstage + shitty peaky and rough treble + overall mediocrity + $1000 price + inconsistent sound / driver matching <> Leaderboard.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #649 on: June 18, 2015, 09:41:28 PM »
Quote from: borrego on June 18, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
To illustrate, I tell you my choice of my other hobby.

I chose buying a Suzuki SV650 over a GSXR600 even though I could afford the initial purchase price. The GSXR600 has better suspensions, rev quicker, corners better, with more upgrades available. The GSXR600 scales up just like the HD800 does.

But I figured out I would have the same amount of enjoyment cornering my the SV650 at 50km/h compares to cornering the GSXR600 at 70km/h (because my fears kicks in). Thus I chose the SV650.

But my point is not the T1 is better than the HD800. I still think the T1 is better than the HE-560 overall, especially when considering the build quality/variation/revision factors... and the T1 and the HE-560 are similarly priced now.


Your analogy is terrible (coming from a former SV650S owner).

All of the T1s I've demoed have sounded like horse shit, especially given the price. The HE-560 (especially bill's pair) sounded pretty darn good. I have no idea why you're so adamant that the T1 is a good value and that it deserves a spot on the leaderboard hand curated by all of the people who are agreeing in this thread that the T1 is not very good.
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