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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #610 on: June 04, 2015, 01:30:38 AM »
Quote from: electropop on June 03, 2015, 10:01:08 AM
Ever perplexed on this PM3 craze...

Bass was loud, unrefined, round (not at all punchy or fun), completely atonal and not to mention dismissing very basic information. Even though everything else was ok, it made them sound very low- mid-fi-ish.. Am more and more starting to doubt my amp/source gear.

That's it, going to the shop today with my Lecks. We'll see if it's just a faulty unit they have for demo.
Agreed. I'm guessing big variations in quality by the crazy differing opinions.

Edit: just saw the graphs above. I didn't like them, bass was bloated imo and overly so.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #611 on: June 04, 2015, 02:47:10 AM »
Quote from: hans030390 on June 04, 2015, 12:57:06 AM
That said, I do really like the PM-3 for being stylish, portable, comfortable (yes, my ears are at least average sized and I am not a particularly small person), and relatively good sounding if you don't mind some extra bass and perhaps a bit of extra upper-mids/lower-treble. I definitely recommend them.

Agreed +1
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #612 on: June 04, 2015, 04:36:37 PM »
No love for the Crimson :(
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #613 on: June 04, 2015, 05:00:03 PM »
I like the Crimson. Only heard it at meets though and haven't had a chance to run it through as the loaner unit got pulled temporarily. I just have no reference where to place it based on a meet impression were I was really focused on comparing headphones and not the amp itself.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #614 on: June 04, 2015, 05:02:26 PM »
Quote from: Greed on June 04, 2015, 04:36:37 PM
No love for the Crimson :(

I liked what I heard at Marv's place, but unfortunately Mr. Cavalli's loaner never got around to us.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #615 on: June 18, 2015, 05:20:42 AM »
Kind of a bummer, but it looks like the sansa clip+ is being discontinued. The new sansa jam is based off the sansa sport.

Not really related, but are there any smartphone that are leaderboard worthy? For me a budget smartphone would be all the dap I'd need... If it sounded good enough!
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #616 on: June 18, 2015, 01:32:22 PM »
Quote from: imackler on June 18, 2015, 05:20:42 AM
Kind of a bummer, but it looks like the sansa clip+ is being discontinued. The new sansa jam is based off the sansa sport.

Not really related, but are there any smartphone that are leaderboard worthy? For me a budget smartphone would be all the dap I'd need... If it sounded good enough!

Best older, budget smartphones I've used for that purpose are an OG Galaxy S Captivate and a Galaxy Note II. Both of them use WM solutions (WM8994 and WM1811 respectively).

- The Captivate is decent if you want to use it *exclusively* as a DAP. The single core snapdragon in it is too long in the tooth to do much else. Put CyanogenMod, Semaphore Kernel, and Voodoo Sound on it to get hardware access to the full power of the phone's amplifier. Use a lightweight player - Neutron, for example, will be frustratingly laggy and prone to frequent crashes.

- The Galaxy Note II is still solid hardware wise (other than it's screen) and can be used as a DAP, phone, and media device. The best part is: all Galaxy Note II's are identical hardware wise - all of them use the Samsung Exynos system on a chip regardless of if it's a U.S. or International model. The phone supports USB-OTG and has enough power to run an ODAC or a Geek Out 450. It can use a ton of other USB-OTG compatible hardware by use of USB Audio Player Pro. Get the latest release of CleanROM Ace for a completely carrier debloated experience and install a Perseus-based Kernel so you can get hardware access to the phone's amp with the application "Headphone Amp Control", available on the Google Play App Store.

If you're looking for an 'out of the box' solution that you can use for listening, the Note 4 sounds decent enough and has a 0.9 ohm output impedance. I've seen them go for around $400 used already - go go Android smartphone depreciation. That's what I use for my daily driver. Some iPhones are also decent enough if you don't require expandable SD storage.

All that being said, its probably not a good idea to stick smartphones on the leaderboard. Even the best ones are only marginally better than a Rockboxed Clip+/Zip...if really better at all.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #617 on: June 18, 2015, 05:32:08 PM »
I don't quite understand why the HE-560 is on the board and the T1 isn't. The T1, while isn't the most resolving headphone, is just outstanding in the imaging department, with instruments and voices always placed and proportioned correctly. Plus being a semi-open design, it immediately 3-5dB lower noise floor in real world listening environment compare to the Hifiman design.

The imaging of the HE-560 is down right poor, with instruments all over the place. Where on earth, except car audio and being on stage, I should hear the vocalist and guitarist in front but with the drummer playing right behind/next to my seat? In stock form the HE-560 is just poor. Even my Alessandro MS2 would give better more correct imaging.

I have a HE-500 myself. It took the heavily angled Audeze Vegan pads + sticking 160 4mm half plastic beads to the baffle plates to bring the image forward.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #618 on: June 18, 2015, 05:45:49 PM »
1) T1 had serious production variation - measured here. Some units came with two nasty peak bright treble drivers. Some units came with one nasty peak bright treble driver which didn't match the other one.

2) 880-600/250ohms is better than T1 for much less.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #619 on: June 18, 2015, 06:03:59 PM »
Balance and product variations aside, the T1 is too crazy colored a phone in a bright way for me. HE-500 > T1 IMO.

In short, T1 was a brain fart. DT880-600/250 are proly the best Beyer has put out so far.
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