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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #620 on: June 18, 2015, 06:05:42 PM »
Quote from: borrego on June 18, 2015, 05:32:08 PM
I don't quite understand why the HE-560 is on the board and the T1 isn't. The T1, while isn't the most resolving headphone, is just outstanding in the imaging department, with instruments and voices always placed and proportioned correctly. Plus being a semi-open design, it immediately 3-5dB lower noise floor in real world listening environment compare to the Hifiman design.

The imaging of the HE-560 is down right poor, with instruments all over the place. Where on earth, except car audio and being on stage, I should hear the vocalist and guitarist in front but with the drummer playing right behind/next to my seat? In stock form the HE-560 is just poor. Even my Alessandro MS2 would give better more correct imaging.

I have a HE-500 myself. It took the heavily angled Audeze Vegan pads + sticking 160 4mm half plastic beads to the baffle plates to bring the image forward.

I use Hotel California a bunch for A/B (unfortunately) and never have heard the drummer behind my head on the 560. I would have remembered that. Like the old SM3 putting people on top of my head and underneath me. I remember some referring to the SM3 soundstage as being amazingly spherical. Uh-huh. That's amazing....
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #621 on: June 18, 2015, 06:10:19 PM »
Quote from: purr1n on June 18, 2015, 05:45:49 PM
1) T1 had serious production variation - measured here. Some units came with two nasty peak bright treble drivers. Some units came with one nasty peak bright treble driver which didn't match the other one.

2) 880-600/250ohms is better than T1 for much less.

Perhaps I am just lucky getting a good T1. I use EQ all the time thus treble peaks (of any headphones) does not bother me more than poor imaging.

The price of the 600ohm DT880 is never below £200 from Amazon UK, while one can often get the T1 from Japan online stores as low as Yen90,000. So the T1 is only about twice the cost of the DT880 600ohm but would image much better.

I guess I am the rare one who value imaging capability the highest.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #622 on: June 18, 2015, 06:14:39 PM »
Quote from: ultrabike on June 18, 2015, 06:03:59 PM
Balance and product variations aside, the T1 is too crazy colored a phone in a bright way for me. HE-500 > T1 IMO.

In short, T1 was a brain fart. DT880-600/250 are proly the best Beyer has put out so far.

At moderate volume level, the T1 is fine. I listen at volume no louder than my wife talking next to me (have to).
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #623 on: June 18, 2015, 06:21:29 PM »
I don't listen too loud often either (unless doing some evaluations or on special occations). Can hear my wife just fine with open cans.

The DT990 did not work for me, but they may work for you. Have you checked them out? They may be a little more open though.

It may also depend on your source. What are you using for amp and DAC?
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #624 on: June 18, 2015, 06:33:09 PM »
Quote from: borrego on June 18, 2015, 06:14:39 PM
At moderate volume level, the T1 is fine. I listen at volume no louder than my wife talking next to me (have to).

Anax, OJ, and I listen at realistic concert levels (not to be confused with abusive / distorted concert levels). We don't grade gear according the lower levels on the Fletcher-Munson curve. Otherwise, the GS1000 and PS1000 would probably be tops on the Leaderboard.


Quote from: borrego on June 18, 2015, 06:10:19 PM
Perhaps I am just lucky getting a good T1. I use EQ all the time thus treble peaks (of any headphones) does not bother me more than poor imaging.
I guess I am the rare one who value imaging capability the highest.

Abyss, K1K, HD800, MA100, SR009, Slants, a few others image better than T1. MA100 is less than $150, even less if you find a deal. MA100 is also more resolving and has smoother FR.

If you truly value imaging, you go speakers.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #625 on: June 18, 2015, 06:36:39 PM »
Quote from: ultrabike on June 18, 2015, 06:21:29 PM
I don't listen too loud often either (unless doing some evaluations or on special occations). Can hear my wife just fine with open cans.

The DT990 did not work for me, but they may work for you. Have you checked them out? They may be a little more open though.

It may also depend on your source. What
are you using for amp and DAC?
Quote from: ultrabike on June 18, 2015, 06:21:29 PM
I don't listen too loud often either (unless doing some evaluations or on special occations). Can hear my wife just fine with open cans.

The DT990 did not work for me, but they may work for you. Have you checked them out? They may be a little more open though.

It may also depend on your source. What are you using for amp and DAC?

I use J River MC 20 -> Erato (not well known Chinese made) XMOS USB Interface -> 1st Gen no USB AGD NFB-1 (no love here) -> Phasetech EPA-007 -> T1

I always use the Voxango CurveEQ VST plugin in J River

I have never tried the DT990, mainly because I hate the bathroom drainage like grill cover... The DT990, especially the 600ohm one isn't popular in Hong Kong so I doubt I will have a chance to try it locally.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #626 on: June 18, 2015, 06:39:47 PM »
You could try the DT990 Pro 250 ones that don't have the bathroom drainage cups. I think they like $200 right now in Amazon US.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #627 on: June 18, 2015, 06:40:16 PM »
I usually listen fairly quietly and I'm not a big fan of the T1 either.
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #628 on: June 18, 2015, 06:41:00 PM »
I never thought the HE500 or HE560 were particularly good, but the T1 will never be on this leaderboard  :boom: walk the plank2
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Re: Pyrate Leaderboard
« Reply #629 on: June 18, 2015, 06:41:31 PM »
Quote from: maverickronin on June 18, 2015, 06:40:16 PM
I usually listen fairly quietly and I'm not a big fan of the T1 either.

Why U no like imaging? :D
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