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Author Topic: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.  (Read 35822 times)

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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #180 on: October 13, 2014, 06:23:01 AM »

This is obvious when you look at all of the USB > S/Pdif converters on the market which vary hugely both in price and performance. The Hiface and OR5 for example share the same basic technology. One is arguably the worst performing converter on the market, the other is one of the absolute best. Neither ever enters the analog domain though, so clearly there's more to USB implementation than say the effect of a noisy ground on a DAC's analog output stage.




Indeed it may be like with other things in life.
It's not the size of the chip but how you use it.
pictured above OR5

pictured below HiFace PCB





pictures taken by gameguytw (HF)
http://www.head-fi.org/t/498151/m2tech-hiface-mods-and-discussions/240
The guy basically tries to 'OR5ify' his hiFace.

It's not unlikely they perform differently even though they share one or two chips.
Can't seem to find any jitter (or other) plots of the same DAC and same source (taken by the same individual under equal circumstances) using OR5 and HiFace which could be interesting from a technical POV.
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #181 on: October 13, 2014, 04:22:29 PM »

Lots of guys have tried to mod their Hiface's. JK (Ciunas) for example. But somehow the modded versions don't sound as good as the OR5. And I'm running the OR5 without the clock module too (I believe the base OR5 doesn't even have a reclocker.)
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #182 on: October 13, 2014, 10:44:10 PM »

Can't seem to find any jitter (or other) plots of the same DAC and same source (taken by the same individual under equal circumstances) using OR5 and HiFace which could be interesting from a technical POV.

JA has measured a few of these things, which tend to range from 400-600ps at the bottom of the barrel to <50ps for the best ones. Steve doesn't post measurements on his site, but has mentioned that after he got a very pricey audio analyzer to measure precise output jitter, he redesigned the output transformer on the OR5 to drop jitter from ~150ps P-P to around 40ps. If you get it with the OTL option, it goes down to around 20ps, but requires the DAC to have a pulse transformer on the input.
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #183 on: October 13, 2014, 11:42:43 PM »

Because Steve would never publish stuff I used to think he was one of THOSE people.  After we got to meet him and talk to him, he does know his stuff.  It also helps if you spend some good time with him, you get a feel for where he comes from on certain things so it all begins to make sense.  He's a good guy and know what good stuff measures like and sound like.  Unlike some who stash line arrays in their closet...
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #184 on: October 14, 2014, 03:03:41 AM »

Well my impressions on the Wyrd have been a long time coming. In one word: "Love it". For $100 it is criminal. I've had quite a merry-go-round with my system since the time I got the Wyrd. I auditioned 5 USB cables to pair with the Kingrex Uart cable. Around the same time, I introduced two Signal Cable Magic power cords, which weren't completely broken in into my system.

Fun fact, my second favorite USB cable out of those I auditioned was the USB cable that came with my EMU-0404 USB close to a decade ago. In first place was the Black Cat  Silverstar. It serves duty between the Wyrd and the Gungnir DAC. My consensus (IMO) after maniacal testing is that the cable transmitting from the PC to the Wyrd is the most important, and the Kingrex edged out the Black Cat to do the honors.

So after allowing everything to settle in, and imbibing the new sound, then removing the Wyrd and living without it for a while, it eventually dawned on me what was going on. You see the Wyrd is one of those air purifier thingamajics that are sold on late night TV in between reruns. You didn't know your air sucked till you decided to take advantage of the fact that the deal was for 29.99 and if you called within the next ten minutes they will cover S&H. Well. it just so turns out that this damn thing makes you breathe so much better. You not only breathe in air, but you are noticing the actual molecules. Oxygen- oh yeah, there are actually two of them. Never knew that before. It's humid, oh yeah, two hydrogens and one oxygen molecule, who would have thunk it.

Well, as you have guessed by now, oh no, I gave it away in my second sentence. This Schiit aint going nowhere. Now, I'm so in love with clean air that I need moar and moar of it. Has anyone used the Wyrd in conjunction with the either the Paul Pang USB card or the SoTM card? I'm wondering if adding one of these audiophile PCie cards will be a cumulative benefit. Any thoughts or experiences?
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #185 on: October 14, 2014, 04:44:55 AM »

Because Steve would never publish stuff I used to think he was one of THOSE people.  After we got to meet him and talk to him, he does know his stuff.  It also helps if you spend some good time with him, you get a feel for where he comes from on certain things so it all begins to make sense.  He's a good guy and know what good stuff measures like and sound like.  Unlike some who stash line arrays in their closet...

Yeah Steve kind of does things his own way, but he definitely knows a thing or two about USB and digital audio. I know it bothers a lot of people that he refuses to disclose what DAC chips he uses in the Overdrive, but I've heard enough of his stuff to give him the benefit of the doubt as to why he chooses to use what he does. His work definitely speaks for itself.

You could certainly argue as to whether his $800 take on the Wyrd should cost what it does, but I think the OR and OD are quite reasonably priced for their performance vs. the competition. The OR6 may be a tougher pill to swallow. Since the Dynamo will now be mandatory instead of optional, the price is likely to go up by at least $1K.
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #186 on: October 14, 2014, 04:50:20 AM »

Because Steve would never publish stuff I used to think he was one of THOSE people.  After we got to meet him and talk to him, he does know his stuff.  It also helps if you spend some good time with him, you get a feel for where he comes from on certain things so it all begins to make sense.  He's a good guy and know what good stuff measures like and sound like.  Unlike some who stash line arrays in their closet...

Yeah Steve kind of does things his own way, but he definitely knows a thing or two about USB and digital audio. I know it bothers a lot of people that he refuses to disclose what DAC chips he uses in the Overdrive, but I've heard enough of his stuff to give him the benefit of the doubt as to why he chooses to use what he does. His work definitely speaks for itself.

You could certainly argue as to whether his $800 take on the Wyrd should cost what it does, but I think the OR and OD are quite reasonably priced for their performance vs. the competition. The OR6 may be a tougher pill to swallow. Since the Dynamo will now be mandatory instead of optional, the price is likely to go up by at least $1K.

The stuff is certainly priced for the speaker crowd. 
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #187 on: October 16, 2014, 08:20:06 AM »

Except that the sonic differences sound more akin to 'analog coloration'

I find this fascinating myself.
I agree with that experience of analog coloration as well.  Except for what I refer to as 'turbo clock' effect which I find solely occurs in the digital domain and is something different altogether.

I find it annoyingly frustrating.  When the designer of the ODAC can't even get bit-perfect or USB implementation right, that should tell you a lot about how messy the digital side of things is.
Yes it will be rather fascinating to hear what sonic surprises a 'tweako', latest generation, r2r bit perfect DAC will create…
And the matching amp for class A goodness.

It should be very revealing…

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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #188 on: October 19, 2014, 08:48:44 AM »

Wyrd + Stoner Acoustics UD120 is quite impressive. (Better than Wyrd + Modi IMO.) The improvement on the UD120 alone is substantial. It is still not resolving enough for the HD800* but brings out the soundstage layering on the Lab 1 that I had been having a hard time getting with anything but the Calyx M.

Right now its is Wyrd + MicroDAC for the HD800 and Wyrd + UD120 for the Lab 1. Yggy looms.

(* Actually it is probably more accurate to say that it just sounds a bit flat with the HD800. With Wyrd, the UD120's detail is okay.)
« Last Edit: October 19, 2014, 11:04:53 AM by cooperpwc »
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Re: This is Wyrd! Holy Schiit Batman! Schiit Wyrd Impressions.
« Reply #189 on: October 19, 2014, 09:47:29 AM »

Wyrd + Stoner Acoustics UD120 is quite impressive. (Better than Wyrd + Modi IMO.) The improvement on the UD120 alone is substantial. It is still not resolving enough for the HD800 but brings out the soundstage layering on the Lab 1 that I had been having a hard time getting with anything but the Calyx M.

Right now its is Wyrd + MicroDAC for the HD800 and Wyrd + UD120 for the Lab 1. Yggy looms.

Hey cooper, any comparo of the UD120 and the ODAC? I have been debating with myself on getting one till someone said on HF that the ODAC still comes out on top.

On another note, updated the measurements(with the ODAC) in the previous pages, turns out the JTest tones generated in ARTA never go beyond 16 bit even if you specify 24 bit. So heres some with 24 bit tones.
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,1652.msg48164.html#msg48164
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