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headphone power ... what do you need ?
« on: December 11, 2013, 08:17:49 PM »

There has always been a lot of mystery about how much power, voltage and or current is needed to drive headphones to certain levels.
Also it isn't always clear how much SPL the headphone can give at its maximum ratings.

The numbers for effiency are all over the place and each brand uses different reference levels.

I thought it was time to bring some order in the chaos.

Download this table ( http://www.mediafire.com/view/dzwe1g73q6pbhnx/headphone%20power%20table.pdf ) and see if your favorite headphone(s) is listed in the table and see what power (voltage) you need.

I hope it also is of use to pirates.  :)p12

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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 09:16:35 PM »

Also it isn't always clear how much SPL the headphone can give at its maximum ratings.

Just wanted to highlight this very honest statement clearly before the nutters come out of the woodwork.

This will be very helpful to folks, even pirates.  People should also bear in mind drive quantity versus sustained drive quality which is a whole other can of worms but quite related.

Thx solder!

Edit - One thing I have to note, despite the specs, IME the HD600/650 is harder to drive than the HD800.  Never understood the discrepancy. 
« Last Edit: December 11, 2013, 09:26:08 PM by Anaxilus »
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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 09:47:55 PM »

Newb question-what is 'nominal' impedence? I noticed the T1 is 650 and the HD800 is 350 according to that-50ohms higher than their rated impedence...?

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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 09:53:38 PM »

When I saw the figures for the power rating of the Audeze I stupidly thought it was some sort of typo.
Thank you Solderdude for the chart and giving nutters like me a chance to learn something.
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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2013, 10:34:47 PM »

Newb question-what is 'nominal' impedence? I noticed the T1 is 650 and the HD800 is 350 according to that-50ohms higher than their rated impedence...?

With nominal impedance usually denotes the impedance value around 1kHz where it generally is at it's lowest.
This also is close to the DC resistance in most cases.
For single driver headphones the nominal impedance is always equal or higher than the DC resistance.
In the higher frequency region the impedance rises because of the inductance of the voicecoil.
In the lower region the impedance rises (and at points where the headphone resonates) because it moves 'easier' and thus doesn't need to draw as much current. When the applied voltages is constant and less current flows this means the impedance rises.

The specs given by manufacturers are often 'ballpark' figures and for some headphones the impedance varies several percent amongst drivers.
common ballpark figures used are:
16, 24, 32, 50, 60, 120, 300 and 600 but in reality may be off by 10% or even more.
It isn't even uncommon to vary between L and R driver.
This isn't a problem as long as the efficiency is matched close enough.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2013, 10:40:22 PM by Solderdude »
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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 12:04:23 AM »

Thanks a lot for the table! That is super helpful. I would have to say that I'm still confused why an amp like Project Ember sounds phenomenal with the HE-4 and why many users have stated its great synergy with the HE-6 as well. To me, it looks like the HE-4 and HE-500 would both be "under powered" while the HE-6 would be extremely under powered.
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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 06:08:55 AM »

Thanks a lot for the table! That is super helpful. I would have to say that I'm still confused why an amp like Project Ember sounds phenomenal with the HE-4 and why many users have stated its great synergy with the HE-6 as well. To me, it looks like the HE-4 and HE-500 would both be "under powered" while the HE-6 would be extremely under powered.

The Ember can put out almost 2W which is the power rating of the HE-4 and double that of the HE500 so both these headphones can reach about 120dB this is VERY loud.
The HE6 will reach 110dB which is also loud enough for most, to go twice as loud (that's +10dB) you will need 20W !
Will have a look about the HE-4 filter but when EQ does not remove the tiz, electronic filtering won't help. felt in front of the driver might but can't tell how much darker it will sound and might take too much off (as it also affects the highs next to the tiz).
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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2013, 12:32:29 PM »

Think you for your reply. Power rating is the wattage required for what SPL? I realize now that I was looking at the 90dB and 105dB columns as watts instead of milliwatts. Whoops!


I don't have the HE-400's on hand anymore, but I feel like they could use some similar modding schemes as those AKG's. Felt or microfiber in front of the driver also helps.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2013, 01:30:15 PM by Thujone »
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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 01:56:37 PM »

Okay.  Where can I learn about all of the stuff mentioned in the chart?

Is there a good article that would explain it all in relation to headphones/audio gear rather than something more generic?

This old guy is always ready to learn something new...
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Re: headphone power ... what do you need ?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2013, 04:34:52 PM »

Okay.  Where can I learn about all of the stuff mentioned in the chart?

Is there a good article that would explain it all in relation to headphones/audio gear rather than something more generic?

This old guy is always ready to learn something new...

I know people here aren't that fond of nWavGuy, but his article on "More Power" contains almost all of the calculations needed to explain the parts on the chart.
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