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Ripping Vinyl Records
« on: December 11, 2013, 03:33:33 PM »

Hey all...

For those of you into vinyl, I was wondering about your ripping methods.  I've had decent results, but am always looking to improve.

I've got my Pro-Ject Debut Carbon running through a Pro-Ject Phono Box USB V. 

I'm using Audicity to do my initial rip.

Then I'm using Brian Davies' click repair tools to clean it up.  Well, to be honest, I used it during the free trial, but haven't paid for it yet.  So, I've got a stack of vinyl just waiting to be ripped.

Thoughts?  Opinions?  Any good results to share?
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 07:16:07 PM »

Unfortunately, the biggest step you can take to improve the quality of your vinyl rips is also the most expensive: an external ADC.

The best consumer ADC I know about is the Ayre QA-9; however, the price might make you  :vomit: (It's close to USD 4K).

I use a Lynx Hilo, which I consider to be one of the great bargains in headphone-land.  You get a high-quality DAC, a high-quality ADC, and a better-than-decent headphone amp, all in one reasonably small box.

I use PureVinyl instead of Audacity to rip, principally because it can rip at 192/24, which Audacity apparently can't.  I've tried Amarra Vinyl, but I've never gotten good results.  I get AIFF files as my output.

Historically, I've been using Audacity both for cleanup and to insert track breaks and metadata.  I downloaded an evaluation copy of Izotope Rx3 a couple of days ago; it's much more powerful than Audacity for cleanup, but I haven't decided yet whether it's worth $349 to me.

The final steps in my workflow, after cleanup and insertion of track breaks, are (1) conversion of files from AIFF to Apple Lossless (using Max) and (2) creation of a downsampled (48/24) copy for use on iOS devices, for which I use Korg AudioGate.

HTH.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 07:25:22 PM »

Unfortunately, the biggest step you can take to improve the quality of your vinyl rips is also the most expensive: an external ADC.

The best consumer ADC I know about is the Ayre QA-9; however, the price might make you  :vomit: (It's close to USD 4K).

I use a Lynx Hilo, which I consider to be one of the great bargains in headphone-land.  You get a high-quality DAC, a high-quality ADC, and a better-than-decent headphone amp, all in one reasonably small box.

I use PureVinyl instead of Audacity to rip, principally because it can rip at 192/24, which Audacity apparently can't.  I've tried Amarra Vinyl, but I've never gotten good results.  I get AIFF files as my output.

Historically, I've been using Audacity both for cleanup and to insert track breaks and metadata.  I downloaded an evaluation copy of Izotope Rx3 a couple of days ago; it's much more powerful than Audacity for cleanup, but I haven't decided yet whether it's worth $349 to me.

The final steps in my workflow, after cleanup and insertion of track breaks, are (1) conversion of files from AIFF to Apple Lossless (using Max) and (2) creation of a downsampled (48/24) copy for use on iOS devices, for which I use Korg AudioGate.

HTH.
Look into the Brian Davies tools.  I've bad much better luck with them than with Audacity and it's far cheaper than Izotope.  Something like $40 for the click removal and another 40 for the noise removal.

I've never been too worried about 192/24.  I don't think my ears are good enough to detect the difference (or my equipment isn't good enough to take advantage of it). 

And yeah...4k is just a taaaaad out of my price range :P
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 10:53:02 PM »

I would be curious as well. My vinyl ripping setup is very ghetto and cheap. (Technics SL-1600 -> Shure M92e -> Custom DIY phono pre -> Laptop ADC).
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2013, 02:26:51 AM »

I've never heard it, but this device piqued my curiosity when it first came out... http://www.adl-av.com/products/usbdac/gt40/

Anyone have any experience with it?
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 07:59:47 AM »

Every single time someone mentions vinyl rips or any other analog-to-digital conversion, I think I look like this...





I've been doing these types of transfers for well almost 14 years now. What's my method?


THERE IS NO METHOD!

You must treat each recording on it's very own. There is no guaranteed workflow that will work for every record.  burnspbesq is right...the best thing for the job is a good ADC. Then you have to make sure a whole host of other things are right and that they all work flawlessly at the same time.


Assuming the very best audio is captured (NEVER the case), then you have to clean it up PROPERLY. This means do NO harm to the music. Noise reduction is a no-no. Moreover, there isn't a single tool that will de-click, de-clip, de-ess, de-noise, de(whatever) anything properly. In the past 14 years I think I have used and still use a combination of tools. I think I use 7 de-clickers regularly when doing restorations and I only use some based upon the results I get.  There is no one-plug-in-to-rule-them-all.


Now...let's say you have a kick-ass plug-in like ReNOVAtor and a proper workstation that can actually run it properly....big whoop. You need to know how to properly dial in the parameters to use it correctly. You can have the best equipment and plug-in's available but if you don't know how to properly use them and what to listen for, you might as well be called Bob Norberg. Your tools are amazing...your results sound like poo.

That said, given enough patience and practice, you would be amazed at what results you can sometimes get...
   
I did this restoration back around 2008 IIRC. Fixing that piano note at the beginning was a real bitch.  :)p2
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 08:57:49 AM »

I know it's not vinyl, but in terms of DR, you can get excellent results downmixing 5.1 to stereo if available, and you likely don't need any hardware outside of the computer you already have. You can downmix in Audacity as well, so it can be considerably cheaper and easier than ripping vinyl properly.

I have done this with some of the Opeth albums. Dramatic difference, even with just a fairly quick job of it.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2013, 02:02:04 PM »

Every single time someone mentions vinyl rips or any other analog-to-digital conversion, I think I look like this...





I've been doing these types of transfers for well almost 14 years now. What's my method?


THERE IS NO METHOD!

You must treat each recording on it's very own. There is no guaranteed workflow that will work for every record.  burnspbesq is right...the best thing for the job is a good ADC. Then you have to make sure a whole host of other things are right and that they all work flawlessly at the same time.


Assuming the very best audio is captured (NEVER the case), then you have to clean it up PROPERLY. This means do NO harm to the music. Noise reduction is a no-no. Moreover, there isn't a single tool that will de-click, de-clip, de-ess, de-noise, de(whatever) anything properly. In the past 14 years I think I have used and still use a combination of tools. I think I use 7 de-clickers regularly when doing restorations and I only use some based upon the results I get.  There is no one-plug-in-to-rule-them-all.


Now...let's say you have a kick-ass plug-in like ReNOVAtor and a proper workstation that can actually run it properly....big whoop. You need to know how to properly dial in the parameters to use it correctly. You can have the best equipment and plug-in's available but if you don't know how to properly use them and what to listen for, you might as well be called Bob Norberg. Your tools are amazing...your results sound like poo.

That said, given enough patience and practice, you would be amazed at what results you can sometimes get...
   
I did this restoration back around 2008 IIRC. Fixing that piano note at the beginning was a real bitch.  :)p2
I read your post and here's what I got out of it.

I'm going to UPS you all of my vinyl this afternoon, and just let you do the job for me  :)p2
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 05:27:01 PM »

Ya seriously. Amazing work there LFF. I listened to it through my phone with the re-400 and the dynamic range still shines through.

Are all the pops,clicks, artifacts etc. the result of the AD conversion?  I am assuming that they are not audible if you listen to it in analog or else it seems like there is very little point in vinyl.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2013, 05:36:43 PM »

Ya seriously. Amazing work there LFF. I listened to it through my phone with the re-400 and the dynamic range still shines through.

Are all the pops,clicks, artifacts etc. the result of the AD conversion?  I am assuming that they are not audible if you listen to it in analog or else it seems like there is very little point in vinyl.

If it's older vinyl, it's possible that most, if not all, of the noise you're hearing is the vinyl and that it would be audible when playing it back on a turntable. That's one of the reasons why proper vinyl care is so important. It'll keep it sounding cleaner for a longer period of time. However, even if you handle the stuff with kid gloves, it is my understanding that it will not sound perfect forever.

I assume you don't have much experience with vinyl, then?
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