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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2013, 05:41:44 PM »

My biggest beef with Audacity as a repair tool is (pun intended) the Repair tool.

I figured out fairly early in my experience with Audacity that the Click Removal tool is pretty useless; it inflicts too much collateral damage around the click.  The Repair tool does a pretty good job of click removal, and its interpolation is OK.  The issue is that the "width" of a repair is limited to 128 samples, and when you're dealing with files where the sample rate is 192k, there are inevitably going to be clicks that go on for more than .00067 seconds.  Sometimes you can get away with removing a click in two or three passes without introducing some kind of audible artifact.  Most times you can't.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2013, 06:57:57 PM »

Nope not very much, but what I have heard wasn't as bad as what LFF posted. Since people are trying to clean up the sound I thought it may have been something to do with the AD transfer process.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2013, 07:03:24 PM »

My biggest beef with Audacity as a repair tool is (pun intended) the Repair tool.

I figured out fairly early in my experience with Audacity that the Click Removal tool is pretty useless; it inflicts too much collateral damage around the click.  The Repair tool does a pretty good job of click removal, and its interpolation is OK.  The issue is that the "width" of a repair is limited to 128 samples, and when you're dealing with files where the sample rate is 192k, there are inevitably going to be clicks that go on for more than .00067 seconds.  Sometimes you can get away with removing a click in two or three passes without introducing some kind of audible artifact.  Most times you can't.
Yes, I've found Audacity worthless as a click removal tool.

As I've already suggested, I'll strongly reiterate my suggestion to check out Brian Davies' repair tools.  They have a 2-3 week free trial period, and you really have a TON of control over the process.  You can use it as a completely automatic tool, or you can manually adjust and tinker with every single click.  You have a LOT of control over the process.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2013, 12:05:05 AM »

Ya seriously. Amazing work there LFF. I listened to it through my phone with the re-400 and the dynamic range still shines through.

Are all the pops,clicks, artifacts etc. the result of the AD conversion?  I am assuming that they are not audible if you listen to it in analog or else it seems like there is very little point in vinyl.


Thanks.  :)


According to my customer, his LP was in mint condition. It looked dead mint but it was dirty as all hell. I told him the LP would require a lot of work, including some deep cleaning. That's what it sounded before getting deep cleaned. I had already given it a normal wash. Most people send me a nice looking vinyl thinking it will be just an "easy" transfer job.


Even with super minty clean vinyl, you will always get pops, clicks, etc. They are always audible but you get them far less than a used, dirty LP, like the one above, where the noise is constant. Groove wear is another culprit that can't be easily spotted with the naked eye but kills the sound. Same with mold. The point of vinyl as I see it...


1. Stuff you can't get on CD (including original mixes, mono mixes, non-released albums, actual master tapes used, etc etc)
2. Usually sounds better. No compression. There are exceptions
3. Usually has less distortion. There are exceptions.
4. Usually has better mastering. There are exceptions.
5. AWESOME BIG artwork.


I'll post another comparison clip later tonight... :)p6



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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2013, 12:13:49 AM »

Nice work, LFF. I love that record. Was it an original press?

This thread has me super interested in that Lynx Hilo. Is the headphone out really not that bad?

 

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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2013, 12:44:20 AM »

I recall Purrin liking the Hilo. Not sure where it lands on the 17 DAC comparo, though.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2013, 01:02:39 AM »

God damn you guys are going to get me thrown out of my house!  I went to a music store and was amazed at all the new release vinyl they had.  The prices were only a couple dollars more than the CD's I bought.  If you can find better masters, rip them to your hard drive, and have pretty albums to look at then vinyl sounds pretty awesome.  Any A/D options other than the Hilo?  I am thinking pro audio stuff might work better for A/D than D/A.  I know the Benchmark DAC gets a lot of flak, but if you were to use something along those lines (measures well but doesn't sound good) to A/D is that going to negatively affect the sound?  I am not sure if an A/D converter would impart a sound in the same way a DAC does.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2013, 02:49:25 AM »

Most of the new releases come with download cards for the digital version too. Most of them are only 320kbps mp3s, but it seems more and more are starting to include a FLAC option. Hell, I think the last Dirty Projectors had a 24-bit FLAC download. But then you get the occasional record come with 160kbps mp3 download and get pissed at the label for wasting your time.

Regarding the A/D, everything in the path will color the sound -- from the turntable to the cartridge to the ADC. I'm sure if you're careful about picking your signal chain, your vinyl rips can sound better than CDs, but a lot of rips floating around the net sound worse (like people ripping from USB turntables.)
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2013, 03:04:11 AM »

God damn you guys are going to get me thrown out of my house!  I went to a music store and was amazed at all the new release vinyl they had.  The prices were only a couple dollars more than the CD's I bought.  If you can find better masters, rip them to your hard drive, and have pretty albums to look at then vinyl sounds pretty awesome.  Any A/D options other than the Hilo?  I am thinking pro audio stuff might work better for A/D than D/A.  I know the Benchmark DAC gets a lot of flak, but if you were to use something along those lines (measures well but doesn't sound good) to A/D is that going to negatively affect the sound?  I am not sure if an A/D converter would impart a sound in the same way a DAC does.

Benchmark makes an ADC that looks a lot like the DAC1.  I've never played with it, but the guy who reviewed it for Sound on Sound when it was introduced in 2006 liked it.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul06/articles/benchmark.htm
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2013, 05:24:04 AM »

Hell, I think the last Dirty Projectors had a 24-bit FLAC download.
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Thanks so much for pointing this out.  Every LP I've gotten has only offered low quality mp3s, so I hadn't even bothered to check the Dirty Projectors download.

Much appreciated! 
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