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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2013, 07:19:24 AM »

I wish it were that easy.

Quite. A friend of mine does absolutely brilliant sounding rips using a Technics SL-1200 with a Rega arm, Shure cart, $600 Simaudio Pre, and a $250 Native Instruments ADC. The entire rig is worth maybe $3500. He does all of his processing in Sound Forge by hand. I can't count the number of rips I've heard done on systems with $3500 cartridges that sound like garbage. Clicks, pops, and ticks galore, LF rumble problems, etc. That or they run them through something like ClickRepair on auto mode, which makes the recording sound like a quiet version of the CD.

Still tons of folks that assume that throwing $10K at a turntable will give them fantastic results from their rips, no matter what.

Yup!

There is a well known audiophile who shares his rips and they are always noisy and never properly done despite having a rather high end system. Doing proper rips is more about passion rather than just throwing money at your system.

Don't even get me started on noise reduction!
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2014, 10:43:09 PM »

So, any recommendations for non-$3500 cartridges that sound good?
I took a quick sample of two phono preamps connected straight to my laptop's ADC and put them on Google Drive here: (Let me know if that's a no-no. It's a 1 minute clip of "With A Little Help From My Friends")
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9KhPSL6UNZ1Q25qcXIyMnZVbkU&usp=drive_web
I honestly don't remember which preamp was which, but in both, the Shure M92e makes a mess of the treble.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2014, 12:43:52 AM »

So, any recommendations for non-$3500 cartridges that sound good?

At the $500 level, your best bet is the Dynavector 10X5 or Audio-Technica AT33PTG/II. Once you start getting into serious money, you really need to pay attention to not just this cart or that but compliance and output so you can match a particular MC cart with the right arm and phono pre. I guarantee you that a moderately priced arm and cart that are made for each other will outperform expensive arms that are too light or heavy for a particular cart.

The Benz Gliders and SLRs are ok, not spectacular. The LP-S Class is fucking awesome, but getting a Benz cart in the US seems to be a real problem these days, and anyway, the LP-S is $5K. Koetsus are ONLY worth it if you can find a huge discount on one. I've seen Rosewood Signatures listed for $1500 or so, which is a very good deal. The $4500 retail? Forget it.

Lyra's Delos is actually not too shabby for $1600. The balance is still leaner than I would prefer, but it's not as analytical as some of Lyra's far more expensive carts. Rega carts are a giant pile of crap, avoid. A few years ago I would've whole heartedly recommended a Shelter, but Shelters have gotten really pricey lately. I just don't see the 901 being worth $2600, and my 7000 definitely isn't worth $3400. I picked it up for half that.

I know very little about Soundsmith's affordable carts, so I can't make a recommendation one way or the other there. Being good at $4K carts doesn't mean you're any good at $1K carts - ask Benz Micro. ZYX's R100 series has a very good reputation, but you're talking $2500 there.

Edit: I haven't heard Shelter's new 501 MKIII. In fact I didn't even know about it until just now. The price really isn't bad though.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2014, 08:42:42 AM »

I had some recommendations, but since Dave's answer is so definitive I guess they are not relevant.  Little did I know.


« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 11:08:02 AM by shipsupt »
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2014, 09:21:44 AM »

LOL, I guess I should have specified my budget a bit more...
I'm still a starving college student, so $500+ is a bit rich for my blood. Is there anything under, say $250 that I should look into? Preferably even less? I've heard that swapping out styli from higher end Shure carts is a quick and cheap way to upgrade the quality of the lower end Shures. Right now, I just have a Technics SL-1600 that I got from a relative for free.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2014, 09:25:40 AM »

I had some recommendations, but since Dave's answer is so definitive I guess the are not relevant.  Little did I know.



I would probably like to know what Dave's own TT setup looks like, wonder what a man of seemingly infinite knowledge and experience uses at his own place.


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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2014, 03:27:28 PM »

LOL, I guess I should have specified my budget a bit more...
I'm still a starving college student, so $500+ is a bit rich for my blood. Is there anything under, say $250 that I should look into? Preferably even less? I've heard that swapping out styli from higher end Shure carts is a quick and cheap way to upgrade the quality of the lower end Shures. Right now, I just have a Technics SL-1600 that I got from a relative for free.

A friend of mine uses a Jico stylus with his Shure V15VxMR on a Rega MB300 with good results. The $99 Ortofon 2M Red is pretty much the default entry level recommendation from most of the audiophile press, but I'm not sure it's as great as they say it is. Denon's $199 DL-103 is another popular recommendation, BUT you need a heavy mass arm/headshell for it, so keep that in mind. Assuming your arm has a removable headshell, you can replace it with something a bit heavier to properly match the 103. You may also need to add a counter-weight to the back though if you do that.

IMO though your best bet for an affordable MM cart is an Audio-Technica - maybe something like an AT-440ML if you can swing $200. Check out LP Gear, they have loads of A-T carts and can probably steer you in the right direction for your setup.
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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2014, 03:53:32 PM »

You'd be creeping back up to $500, but you can get the Zu version of the DL-103 for under that... it's supposed to be a nice cart too.

I've not listened to a lot of AT stuff, but I hear the same thing Dave does, that they have some really good budget cartridges to consider. 

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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2014, 04:08:18 PM »

I would probably like to know what Dave's own TT setup looks like, wonder what a man of seemingly infinite knowledge and experience uses at his own place.

Hah! I wouldn't say infinite, but I've played with my share of stuff. My vinyl rig used to change fairly frequently, but with my current setup I just don't really feel the need to do anything else, I'm kind of done. I've said else where that I believe that Origin-Live tables outperform most of the other tables I've heard at the sub $4K level like the AVID Diva II and Michell Gryo. After hearing Nottinghams though, I knew I had to try one at home, and once I did that was it.

Specifically it's the Space 294 table and matching Ace Space 294 12" arm, which at this sort of price level I think is untouchable. You have to push start the platter, and then to stop it, you basically use your hands a brake. It's weird, but you can't argue with the sound. The arm is a unipivot which is definitely NOT my favorite type, but again, you can't argue with the sound, so I put up with it. It also matches VERY well with Shelter carts.

I'm sure an uber Kuzma or Brinkmann would easily beat this rig, but even if I doubled what i have in it, I don't think I'd get that much further. If I see an LP-S Class pop up on Audiogon or something I would definitely grab it, but otherwise, I'm set.

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Re: Ripping Vinyl Records
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2014, 05:12:33 PM »

I don't know why but having to kickstart a turntable is flipping awesome
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