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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2013, 01:47:27 PM »

FWIW, I posted my lengthy thoughts on the Alpha Dog in that big thread in the land of the Fi-Heads. Main points:

- Seems to have a smoother, flatter response up till 1KHz or so than the Mad Dog. Could be wrong, but it's no worse at the very least. Does seem to have better clarity and control, most noticeably in the bass for me. For example, the bass drum had a stronger, more defined kick to it and the bass guitar was easier to pick out of the music (a tad fuzzy sounding on the Mad Dog).

- The emphasized points around 5.5-6KHz and 10KHz just did not sit well with me. I find the Mad Dog is actually very close in line with my tastes. It doesn't actually sound too laid-back to me, but I'm on the somewhat younger side of the spectrum and have never been too fond of uneven and/or emphasized treble. It took me a few years to figure out that was one of the aspects of certain headphones I didn't like but otherwise couldn't explain why (lots of thanks to this site for helping with that). But, realistically, I think the Alpha Dog should have been tuned right in between the Mad Dog 3.2 and what the AD actually is.

- EQ does wonders for the Alpha Dog. I really, really enjoyed listening to them like that, but otherwise it's just too much (makes it a bit useless for games and, say, online music streaming services, as I found it hard to tolerate without EQ).

- The overall look and finish of the Alpha Dog was really nice. Felt like a premium product for the most part. I liked the included extras and didn't mind that the stand required one to remove the cables and lower the headband height.

Very close, but just not quite there. I know Dan said he didn't plan to revise the Alpha Dog, but we'll see...(hoping he does because I liked everything else about it so well)

Maybe someone will mod the modded headphones lol. "___(insert username)"mod for Alpha Dogs.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2013, 02:44:37 PM »

Maybe someone will mod the modded headphones lol. "___(insert username)"mod for Alpha Dogs.

Fostex T50RP drivers are simply fantastic. I am not kidding, these deserve true admiration. I can attest that once you get rid of those ridiculous cups, put these drivers into well damped (wood) cups and get hold of some Alpha pads, you will be able to reach audiophile level.

I did own and sell some HE-500s and Paradox, but I will ALWAYS hold on to my Fostex Alpha Woodies. It seems such a nondescript driver, but it is able to produce world-class audio bliss at a price that everyone can afford.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2013, 03:19:41 PM »

Maybe someone will mod the modded headphones lol. "___(insert username)"mod for Alpha Dogs.

Fostex T50RP drivers are simply fantastic. I am not kidding, these deserve true admiration. I can attest that once you get rid of those ridiculous cups, put these drivers into well damped (wood) cups and get hold of some Alpha pads, you will be able to reach audiophile level.

I did own and sell some HE-500s and Paradox, but I will ALWAYS hold on to my Fostex Alpha Woodies. It seems such a nondescript driver, but it is able to produce world-class audio bliss at a price that everyone can afford.

Oi! Pics pretty please.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2013, 05:22:31 PM »

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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2013, 08:57:49 PM »

just got to hear the alpha doges - they're great.
not sure if pair was vastly different or anything but it didn't have such weird channel imbalance this pair. something about the upper mids but that's kind of nitpicking. awesome closed headphones.

good detail level, good imaging, pretty good balance, not perfect but very impressive overall.
good seal makes a pretty big difference I noticed though.
Glad you enjoyed, they truly are my favorite closed headphones, and the Paradox did not quite hold its own against them as you heard for yourself the other day. I also agree that seal is tremendously important for its performance. I've not noticed any channel imbalance whereas I did with my past HE500's two years back.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2013, 10:15:06 PM »

Glad you enjoyed, they truly are my favorite closed headphones, and the Paradox did not quite hold its own against them as you heard for yourself the other day. I also agree that seal is tremendously important for its performance. I've not noticed any channel imbalance whereas I did with my past HE500's two years back.

yeah, thanks for stopping by! :) will be trying to hear them on a better amp - the M^3 we used is still a bit of a WIP. I think they should have better imaging/soundstage/whatever with a better amp, right?
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2013, 02:37:00 AM »

Glad you enjoyed, they truly are my favorite closed headphones, and the Paradox did not quite hold its own against them as you heard for yourself the other day. I also agree that seal is tremendously important for its performance. I've not noticed any channel imbalance whereas I did with my past HE500's two years back.

yeah, thanks for stopping by! :) will be trying to hear them on a better amp - the M^3 we used is still a bit of a WIP. I think they should have better imaging/soundstage/whatever with a better amp, right?
I find the Alpha Dogs fantastic and all, but I'm not sure if it will scale to much higher performances. I have yet to try it on the McIntosh  :-X
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2013, 04:33:58 AM »

The T50RP in general seems to scale really well, so it's very possible you could get more out of them, munch.

Also, in regards to channel imbalance, I did not have an issue if the pads were sealed correctly. Getting the pads to seal correctly was a different story, but they were a bit deformed and squished from being in the box after shipment. With a good seal, I found the FR to be much more in line with what ultrabike's right channel measurements show - less bass roll-off, harsher treble.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2013, 07:46:21 AM »

As noted the measurement environment was not at all ideal and that channel imbalance is not something we would have let by.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2013, 09:29:55 AM »

While the measurement environment was not ideal, I don't think that what were are seeing here is a result of that. Consider the FR results of the right driver from the HE-6 also at the same meet, and taken at different times and re-couplings:



The measurement coupling is flat, which allows for more repeatable measurements. Also note that the HE-6s are open and therefore isolate less from non-ideal meet conditions.

I feel the main culprit is that the Alpha Dogs cans are fairly position sensitive. This has been hinted before. This may be partly a result of the pads used by these cans which are not designed for sound absorption, but for seal.

Here is a second set of measurements with the drivers aligned differently relative to the mic:



The null at the right channel remains. However, the mic is probably closer to one edge of the pads which might account for the upper-mids null's frequency change to a higher frequency (shorter wavelength - distance to pads). The position change also seems to have an effect on the left driver. However, for some reason the left driver does not seem to develop as deep a null as the right driver. To further illustrate, here is a comparison of the measurements for each individual driver with the different mic/driver orientations

Right channel



Left channel



Again, IMO these measurements show that the AD are perhaps fairly positional sensitive relative to other cans. In regards to comments about square wave response during the meet, they are a function of the frequency response. Based on what I've seen, 30 Hz square waves might look great. However, 300 Hz square waves from these cans would probably be a little more distorted.

All these said, I don't think these are bad headphones at all. The factory tuning is relatively neutral, though perhaps a little tilted to the treble, which did not bother me at all.
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