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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2014, 02:11:37 AM »
Nope. And its actually worse on the AD than the last few MDs I heard.
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2014, 03:14:52 AM »
I've had a set of mad dogs on loan for a week now and really haven't been impressed. There's an irritating tizz in the treble, and running a sweep I get hit with three peaks in rapid succession. Mids seem ok, midbass has a hump to it that warms things up but isn't spectacular or anything. The suction from the alpha pads also makes me feel a little claustrophobic.

If the Alpha Dogs are similar, I've lost any interest in hearing them.

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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2014, 08:18:01 AM »
FWIW, the T50RP generally has something weird and irritating sounding about its treble to my ears. This was even true of the Paradox, and it holds for the Mad Dogs as well. I always used EQ. For some reason, I never tried front damping mods, even though that's a go-to mod I use often.

I'll be listening to the AD a second time (fixed tour unit) relatively soon. Not sure if it includes these tweaks or not, but I will inquire about it. EDIT: It will have the tweaks applied/available to mess with. Very nice!

TMRaven, despite not being fond of the AD when I heard it (noting those circumstances, of course), I thought it did a better job in regards to the points you mentioned. I was actually very happy vs. the MD with it once I EQed those peaks I heard.
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AM »
Well if anyone can provide impressions and/or send them in...
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2014, 09:28:27 AM »
Quote from: marvey on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AM
Well if anyone can provide impressions and/or send them in...
Purrin, er marvey, what's the process for sending headphones to you?
If/when Dan processes my upgrade for my Mad Dogs (I think I may go through with it with this new revision) I could just have him send them to you? No idea how long that will be though.
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2014, 03:57:29 PM »
the maddogs are orthodynamic, which means if you dont run enough gain through them, you'll end up with sibilance, where as a dynamic coils will need much less gain. they also have a proper lack of attenuation, so the fuzzy quality people describe is occuring because of unbalanced music, where the bass is too high and the treble too low, giving that fuzz quality. given that most music is still mixed on coloured equipment, you'll run into that situation A LOT.

so the maddogs, or any reference cans with no attenuation usually need eq-ing and a fairly high gain. im running a -3db sloped bass cut and +3db sloped treble boost, and everything sounds great on coloured sources.

comfort wise, the phones have to sit near the top of your head, so you have to add the right height. they do become unnoticeable when they sit right, but if someone else is going to use them, you have to go through a readjusting process
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2014, 04:31:06 PM »
Quote from: eisamix on February 25, 2014, 03:57:29 PM
the maddogs are orthodynamic, which means if you dont run enough gain through them, you'll end up with sibilance, become unnoticeable when they sit right, but if someone else is going to use them, you have to go through a readjusting process

That's complete nonsense which does not jive with objective measurements or my subjective experience of many a ortho. In anything, turning up the volume (I think you mean volume, not gain) tends bring out bad sibilance because of the fletcher-munson effect.

Quote from: eisamix on February 25, 2014, 03:57:29 PM
So the fuzzy quality people describe is occuring because of unbalanced music, where the bass is too high and the treble too low, giving that fuzz quality. given that most music is still mixed on coloured equipment, you'll run into that situation A LOT.

The fuzzy quality is partly the result of the limitations of the T50RP driver. It's too darn small to produce clean non-distorted bass. Any mods to the T50RP just makes things worse because the mods usually lower the efficiency. The other part of course is, as you mentioned, marginal recordings with too much bass.

It's silly to attribute the MadDog's weaknesses purely to recording or volume.

BTW, I did not have any treble issues with any of the recent version MadDog's I have heard.
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2014, 06:49:51 PM »
oh I see. so the sibilance issue must be design based I guess? because I find they particularly need more power than other headphones. noise is still acceptable at high volume
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2014, 02:04:38 PM »
Quote from: TMRaven on February 21, 2014, 01:59:43 AM
I forgot to ask earlier, but when I heard the Mad Dogs for a couple days I thought their overall balance was rather good, but the entire sound signature has this plasticy, rubbery kind of veil over it, as if it was a result of being too damped and restricted or some kind of weird resonance that didn't allow the sound to be as defined as it could.  Does the intricate design of the super cups on the alpha dog get rid of this veil effect? 

I wanted to come back and answer this question after listening to the AD for a while (with tweaks and my own damping disc in front). If I am understanding what you heard with the MD, the AD in its current state (and potentially with damping discs in front of driver) should be a notable improvement across the board.
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Re: Alpha Dogs Measurements
« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2014, 11:15:00 PM »
Hey, I was planning on getting the Alpha Dogs sometime this summer. What amp would you recommend for them? Or maybe even another headphone in their pricerange as I am not completely set on them.

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