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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2013, 08:25:33 PM »

I'll PM you.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2013, 09:57:48 PM »

Yeah, I could see one driver just not having a good seal or something like that.
Hmm, so is that why I've heard people saying the AD "sounds like" the HD800 Purrin?


LOL. I haven't heard that one yet "AD sounds like the HD800" (I un-subbed from the HF thread - too much noise), but I would say that assessment is accurate. When I had my first sneak peek with the Vali, it was with the Alpha Dogs (courtesy of Dan) and Jason's HD800 (which I modded for him.)

The AD definitely has that stock HD800 hardness / peak at 6k and almost the same level of overall brightness in mid-treble. It doesn't have as much last octave air as the HD800 though, but we all know the T50RP driver isn't very capable of that.

It could come down to amp pairing though. The Schiit stuff is more forward and aggressive than some people would like. I would imagine the Burson HA160 (one of Dan's demo amps) or LG (with certain tubes - another of Dan's demo amps) being a good match for the AD.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2013, 10:38:43 PM »

Yeah, I could see one driver just not having a good seal or something like that.
Hmm, so is that why I've heard people saying the AD "sounds like" the HD800 Purrin?


LOL. I haven't heard that one yet "AD sounds like the HD800" (I un-subbed from the HF thread - too much noise), but I would say that assessment is accurate. When I had my first sneak peek with the Vali, it was with the Alpha Dogs (courtesy of Dan) and Jason's HD800 (which I modded for him.)

The AD definitely has that stock HD800 hardness / peak at 6k and almost the same level of overall brightness in mid-treble. It doesn't have as much last octave air as the HD800 though, but we all know the T50RP driver isn't very capable of that.

It could come down to amp pairing though. The Schiit stuff is more forward and aggressive than some people would like. I would imagine the Burson HA160 (one of Dan's demo amps) or LG (with certain tubes - another of Dan's demo amps) being a good match for the AD.
Yeah, that's what a few people were saying when they first heard the Alpha Dogs. I don't remember the HD800 well enough to make a comparison though. That would make sense, considering we thought the treble lacked some air and sounded a bit off.

Also, the H-F thread is ridiculous. A bunch of people are asking for reviews and comparisons with Headphone X and all sorts of BS like that, and then when people do actually post reviews, everyone ignores them and then it gets brought back up a few pages later.

And if I may say, the cable and headphone stand do have room for improvement. That's all I'll say on that...

Good that you mention that, Dan PM'd me and said that the AD scales well with better amps. He said he would try and get up here to the next Seattle meet so us starving college student types could hear them with either his Burson or Cavalli.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2013, 11:05:59 PM »

Yeah, I could see one driver just not having a good seal or something like that.
Hmm, so is that why I've heard people saying the AD "sounds like" the HD800 Purrin?


LOL. I haven't heard that one yet "AD sounds like the HD800" (I un-subbed from the HF thread - too much noise), but I would say that assessment is accurate. When I had my first sneak peek with the Vali, it was with the Alpha Dogs (courtesy of Dan) and Jason's HD800 (which I modded for him.)

The AD definitely has that stock HD800 hardness / peak at 6k and almost the same level of overall brightness in mid-treble. It doesn't have as much last octave air as the HD800 though, but we all know the T50RP driver isn't very capable of that.

It could come down to amp pairing though. The Schiit stuff is more forward and aggressive than some people would like. I would imagine the Burson HA160 (one of Dan's demo amps) or LG (with certain tubes - another of Dan's demo amps) being a good match for the AD.
Yeah, that's what a few people were saying when they first heard the Alpha Dogs. I don't remember the HD800 well enough to make a comparison though. That would make sense, considering we thought the treble lacked some air and sounded a bit off.

Also, the H-F thread is ridiculous. A bunch of people are asking for reviews and comparisons with Headphone X and all sorts of BS like that, and then when people do actually post reviews, everyone ignores them and then it gets brought back up a few pages later.

And if I may say, the cable and headphone stand do have room for improvement. That's all I'll say on that...

Good that you mention that, Dan PM'd me and said that the AD scales well with better amps. He said he would try and get up here to the next Seattle meet so us starving college student types could hear them with either his Burson or Cavalli.

Confirmation bias at its finest. Many people want these to be the end-all of headphones, as such anything neutral~negative is filtered out, and positive information is corralled upon. It's human nature.

Specifically, a bunch of people in the HF thread are actively seeking all-positive impressions of the cans, not just any impression.

Of course it goes the other way too, e.g. there's another bunch of people in the HF AD thread trying to get AD owners to belittle the ADs against LCD2.

At this point that thread is nothing more than social psychology at play.  :)p13
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2013, 12:11:47 AM »

I've been able to read a few good impressions in the HF thread, but I also feel like there's an awful amount of noise in that thread.

That said, I'd like to direct a question toward jerg and purrin. I enjoy the MD more than any other headphone I've used so far, but I would prefer an even more neutral response. There's just a bit too little treble on the MD. Does the AD improve upon this a bit and does it sound better/cleaner than the MD?
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 12:27:07 AM »

I've been able to read a few good impressions in the HF thread, but I also feel like there's an awful amount of noise in that thread.

That said, I'd like to direct a question toward jerg and purrin. I enjoy the MD more than any other headphone I've used so far, but I would prefer an even more neutral response. There's just a bit too little treble on the MD. Does the AD improve upon this a bit and does it sound better/cleaner than the MD?
I'm not jerg or purrin, but I'd say there's definitely more treble in the AD, and that it does sound "cleaner" to my ears.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2013, 01:18:16 AM »

I've been able to read a few good impressions in the HF thread, but I also feel like there's an awful amount of noise in that thread.

That said, I'd like to direct a question toward jerg and purrin. I enjoy the MD more than any other headphone I've used so far, but I would prefer an even more neutral response. There's just a bit too little treble on the MD. Does the AD improve upon this a bit and does it sound better/cleaner than the MD?
I'm not jerg or purrin, but I'd say there's definitely more treble in the AD, and that it does sound "cleaner" to my ears.

Sure enough. But you and I have already talked about that, so I already knew you felt that way. I just want to see if I can get a consensus on that between at least two or three people whose ears I think I can trust. So far, I've got one.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2013, 01:37:04 AM »

I've been able to read a few good impressions in the HF thread, but I also feel like there's an awful amount of noise in that thread.

That said, I'd like to direct a question toward jerg and purrin. I enjoy the MD more than any other headphone I've used so far, but I would prefer an even more neutral response. There's just a bit too little treble on the MD. Does the AD improve upon this a bit and does it sound better/cleaner than the MD?

I totally understand where you are coming from with the latest MD. It's just a tad too laid back for my tastes. The AD does improve on this and probably goes slightly too much in the other direction. The AD sounds totally different in presentation. Faster, more articulated, greater macro-detail, micro-detail even. But I don't think I can get past the AD's treble hardness and glare which were not present on the MD. It's not a major or even moderate level flaw, but I'm just less much tolerate of stuff that like these days, especially with longer listening sessions.

I'd give it some time. Mr. Speakers has improved his MD's over time to the point where I feel his latest MD sounds pretty darn good. This will likely happen with the AD.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2013, 02:55:53 AM »

I've been able to read a few good impressions in the HF thread, but I also feel like there's an awful amount of noise in that thread.

That said, I'd like to direct a question toward jerg and purrin. I enjoy the MD more than any other headphone I've used so far, but I would prefer an even more neutral response. There's just a bit too little treble on the MD. Does the AD improve upon this a bit and does it sound better/cleaner than the MD?

I totally understand where you are coming from with the latest MD. It's just a tad too laid back for my tastes. The AD does improve on this and probably goes slightly too much in the other direction. The AD sounds totally different in presentation. Faster, more articulated, greater macro-detail, micro-detail even. But I don't think I can get past the AD's treble hardness and glare which were not present on the MD. It's not a major or even moderate level flaw, but I'm just less much tolerate of stuff that like these days, especially with longer listening sessions.

I'd give it some time. Mr. Speakers has improved his MD's over time to the point where I feel his latest MD sounds pretty darn good. This will likely happen with the AD.

Alright. I'll consider that before I decide whether or not I want to buy them soon. The thing is, if I purchase them soon, I want them to arrive around Christmas time. And since Dan is working on filling approx. 6 weeks worth of back orders, that means I need to make a decision within a week or so. I'm not sure whether the treble issue would be quite as problematic to me as it is to you, so I'll have to think about it.

Thank you for your input.
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Re: Alpha Dogs
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2013, 03:01:16 AM »

You can always EQ and drop 6kHz a few db.
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