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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2013, 05:02:37 AM »
Quote from: AstralStorm on April 08, 2013, 12:13:45 AM
The next step is starting a list of pirate-approved labels and mastering studios. :)p3

Perhaps a review site (eh, hard to trust any) or a better version of loudness-war.info, taking into account loudness as well as other crap mastering techniques.

ORG, Analogue Productions, Music Matters, IMPEX, Mosaic, Speakers Corner, and Reference Recordings generally all produce excellent records. MFSL is more hit or miss. At the other end you have labels like Back On Black and Music On Vinyl that are best avoided unless there's no other choice.

We do pretty much exactly what you're suggesting at Metal-Fi, but obviously it's metal only.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2013, 10:40:34 PM »
HDTracks "Panama" at 24/192



HDTracks  "Panama" at 24/96, resampled by me to 24/192.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwjiO1MCVs

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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2013, 12:10:05 AM »
I checked my PS3 today and found out that mine supports SACD.  When I loooked it up I found out that the PS3 does not output DSD.  What is the point of that?  Is that how other SACD players work?  I had never thought of SACD, but hearing that they generally have better mastering had me considering trying it out.  Has anyone tried the SACD function of a PS3?

As usual, I am kind of confused with this medium.  If the PS3 converts the DSD stream from the SACD into PCM, what would the resolution of the PCM stream be?  Is there any advantage to using the SACD disc layer vs. the redbook cd layer on a hybrid SACD?  I want to assume that the two layers would have the same mastering but I have learned that something so logical may not be the case.  I defer to the expert pirates here for the answer.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2013, 01:03:13 AM »
Quote from: Stapsy on April 11, 2013, 12:10:05 AM
I checked my PS3 today and found out that mine supports SACD.  When I loooked it up I found out that the PS3 does not output DSD.  What is the point of that?  Is that how other SACD players work?  I had never thought of SACD, but hearing that they generally have better mastering had me considering trying it out.  Has anyone tried the SACD function of a PS3?

As usual, I am kind of confused with this medium.  If the PS3 converts the DSD stream from the SACD into PCM, what would the resolution of the PCM stream be?  Is there any advantage to using the SACD disc layer vs. the redbook cd layer on a hybrid SACD?  I want to assume that the two layers would have the same mastering but I have learned that something so logical may not be the case.  I defer to the expert pirates here for the answer.

If the firmware on your PS3 is earlier than version 3.55, there is freeware out there that you can use to extract the DSD file from SACDs.  There is an extensive discussion over at CA.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2013, 02:18:19 AM »
Quote from: DaveBSC on April 08, 2013, 05:02:37 AM
Quote from: AstralStorm on April 08, 2013, 12:13:45 AM
The next step is starting a list of pirate-approved labels and mastering studios. :)p3

Perhaps a review site (eh, hard to trust any) or a better version of loudness-war.info, taking into account loudness as well as other crap mastering techniques.

ORG, Analogue Productions, Music Matters, IMPEX, Mosaic, Speakers Corner, and Reference Recordings generally all produce excellent records. MFSL is more hit or miss. At the other end you have labels like Back On Black and Music On Vinyl that are best avoided unless there's no other choice.

We do pretty much exactly what you're suggesting at Metal-Fi, but obviously it's metal only.

+1 for Classic Wax series. Speaking of which...My copy of With Oden on Our Side shipped from Germany yesterday.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2013, 02:25:42 AM »
Quote from: Stapsy on April 11, 2013, 12:10:05 AM
I checked my PS3 today and found out that mine supports SACD.  When I loooked it up I found out that the PS3 does not output DSD.  What is the point of that?  Is that how other SACD players work?  I had never thought of SACD, but hearing that they generally have better mastering had me considering trying it out.  Has anyone tried the SACD function of a PS3?

As usual, I am kind of confused with this medium.  If the PS3 converts the DSD stream from the SACD into PCM, what would the resolution of the PCM stream be?  Is there any advantage to using the SACD disc layer vs. the redbook cd layer on a hybrid SACD?  I want to assume that the two layers would have the same mastering but I have learned that something so logical may not be the case.  I defer to the expert pirates here for the answer.
All units capable of SACD playback can do this as long as the firmware is 3.55 or earlier.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2013, 02:30:21 AM »
Quote from: Stapsy on April 11, 2013, 12:10:05 AM
I checked my PS3 today and found out that mine supports SACD.  When I loooked it up I found out that the PS3 does not output DSD.  What is the point of that?  Is that how other SACD players work?  I had never thought of SACD, but hearing that they generally have better mastering had me considering trying it out.  Has anyone tried the SACD function of a PS3?

As usual, I am kind of confused with this medium.  If the PS3 converts the DSD stream from the SACD into PCM, what would the resolution of the PCM stream be?  Is there any advantage to using the SACD disc layer vs. the redbook cd layer on a hybrid SACD?  I want to assume that the two layers would have the same mastering but I have learned that something so logical may not be the case.  I defer to the expert pirates here for the answer.

Sony was militant that SACD not be copyable. NO SACD player can output DSD using a conventional digital format like optical or coaxial. The only formats that support DSD from an SACD player or transport are Firewire, HDMI, and proprietary transport links used by certain companies. Ironic then that Sony's own PS3 would open the door to SACD ripping. If it was anybody else's machine, they would've been sued into oblivion.

Most SACD players still use either stereo or multi-channel analog outputs.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2013, 02:36:10 AM »
IIRC the only advantage to DSD is simplicity of DAC.  All you need is a LPF.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2013, 03:12:03 AM »
I guess at this point in the SACD product life cycle they don't care about people ripping the files using modded PS3s based on old firmware (Mine is well past 3.55 and it can't be rolled back :().  I don't think I would ever want to rip the files, but being forced to use the PS3's internals to convert files to PCM seems like it defeats the purpose of offering a high definition music player.

This leads back into the context of the thread.  Why do I constantly read about DSD capable DACs if the only way to use DSD functionality is essentially downloading DSD music files?  I did a quick google search and there are only a handful of sites offering DSD downloads.  Even assuming a sonic improvement I am not going to rush out to find a DSD capable DAC when the industry is clearly years away from offering any significant quantities of DSD music (this is probably the same thing people said about every other music format when they first came out).  The way I see things going, any DAC I buy will be obsolete by the time the music catalog catches up.  Sure it would be fun to test out the capabilities of a new toy but I don't see any value there at this point.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2013, 03:13:08 AM »
Quote from: LFF on April 02, 2013, 07:52:12 PM
The right mastering job of a recording will affect sound quality 100x more than the difference between 16/44 and DSD and 24/192.

And don't forget the quality of the DAC, I'm pretty much solved on my Red Book CD collections :)
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