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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2013, 09:01:28 PM »

Yeah ive got the MSFL release which looks a bit better on the DR front

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Analyzed: Megadeth / Countdown To Extinction (Remaster)
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR8       -0.37 dB    -9.47 dB      3:17 01-Skin O' My Teeth
DR8       -0.10 dB    -9.31 dB      4:08 02-Symphony Of Destruction
DR8       -0.42 dB    -9.82 dB      3:40 03-Architecture Of Aggression
DR7       -0.58 dB    -8.88 dB      4:23 04-Foreclosure Of A Dream
DR9       -0.10 dB   -11.05 dB      5:28 05-Sweating Bullets
DR8       -0.10 dB   -10.03 dB      3:43 06-This Was My Life
DR8       -0.12 dB    -9.63 dB      4:19 07-Countdown To Extinction
DR8       -0.10 dB    -8.39 dB      4:21 08-High Speed Dirt
DR8       -0.10 dB    -9.22 dB      4:42 09-Psychotron
DR7       -0.10 dB    -8.66 dB      4:15 10-Captive Honour
DR8       -0.10 dB    -8.98 dB      6:14 11-Ashes In Your Mouth
DR8       -0.37 dB    -9.16 dB      3:19 12-Crown Of Worms
DR7       -0.10 dB    -8.24 dB      3:56 13-Countdown To Extinction (Demo)
DR7       -0.11 dB    -9.03 dB      5:30 14-Symphony Of Destruction (Demo)
DR8       -0.10 dB    -8.99 dB      5:29 15-Psychotron (Demo)
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Number of tracks:  15
Official DR value: DR8

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           999 kbps
Codec:             ALAC
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But luckily for me, its one of my least favorite Megadeth CDs, i pretty much only listen to Killing is my business, peace sells, and rust in peace...

Except my original vinyl pressing is DR13. MFSL did what they could with the piece of shit remix-master that Dave sent them, but the actual original master recording with MFSL treatment (or preferably somebody better like ORG) would've been a vast improvement, as I said it's mostly an EQ issue with the original, the recording is fine.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2013, 09:26:50 PM »

Wrong. HDtracks purports and markets itself as "High Def Music / World's Greatest-Sounding Music."

What HDtracks is doing would be like if Whole Foods sold premium brand cereals which were really repackaged Cheerios in fancy boxes. HDtracks can choose to conduct their business honorably and according to their marketing spiel by rejecting recordings which didn't meet a standard of  "World's Greatest-Sounding Music" or "High Def" by refusing to sell them. Instead, they rip people off. But then again, buyer beware.

I think it's safe to say that a lot stuff from HDtracks is of quality not necessarily any better than what one can get on CD. People buy stuff from them because they get hard-ons from "24/96" and "24/192".

Besides, Ralph's let's us return that half-empty box of Cheerios. With HDtracks, were are SOL.

Agreed. The biggest problem I have with HDTracks is they provide (in most cases at least) NO sourcing information. Nothing. A lot of their 24/88 stuff is probably SACD to PCM conversions, but who knows? They don't tell you. They don't tell you if a 24/96 file was a DVD-A transfer or something else. Is a particular high-res file sourced from an original master or some existing re-master? Beats me!

What HDTracks sells is a box of premium brand cereal that has no product weight. It has no serving size. It has no nutrition information. The back of the box is completely blank. Maybe its good, maybe it isn't. If it does turn out to be crap and you complain, maybe you can get a credit so you can play the lottery with another mystery sourced high-res release. AFAIK you don't get your money back.

Contrast that with Analog Productions and their Doors releases. They wanted original master tapes for their new vinyl issues. The studio tried to give them 24/96 files because the original engineer didn't want to release the tapes. AP said it's originals or we walk, and they ultimately got their way. The surround mix for their SACDs are DSD conversions from the existing surround master done for the DVD-As from a few years back, and they readily admit as such. That's why I trust and buy from AP and why I don't buy anything from HDTracks.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2013, 10:04:33 PM »

Wrong. HDtracks purports and markets itself as "High Def Music / World's Greatest-Sounding Music."

What HDtracks is doing would be like if Whole Foods sold premium brand cereals which were really repackaged Cheerios in fancy boxes. HDtracks can choose to conduct their business honorably and according to their marketing spiel by rejecting recordings which didn't meet a standard of  "World's Greatest-Sounding Music" or "High Def" by refusing to sell them. Instead, they rip people off. But then again, buyer beware.

I think it's safe to say that a lot stuff from HDtracks is of quality not necessarily any better than what one can get on CD. People buy stuff from them because they get hard-ons from "24/96" and "24/192".

Besides, Ralph's let's us return that half-empty box of Cheerios. With HDtracks, were are SOL.

Agreed. The biggest problem I have with HDTracks is they provide (in most cases at least) NO sourcing information. Nothing. A lot of their 24/88 stuff is probably SACD to PCM conversions, but who knows? They don't tell you. They don't tell you if a 24/96 file was a DVD-A transfer or something else. Is a particular high-res file sourced from an original master or some existing re-master? Beats me!

What HDTracks sells is a box of premium brand cereal that has no product weight. It has no serving size. It has no nutrition information. The back of the box is completely blank. Maybe its good, maybe it isn't. If it does turn out to be crap and you complain, maybe you can get a credit so you can play the lottery with another mystery sourced high-res release. AFAIK you don't get your money back.

Contrast that with Analog Productions and their Doors releases. They wanted original master tapes for their new vinyl issues. The studio tried to give them 24/96 files because the original engineer didn't want to release the tapes. AP said it's originals or we walk, and they ultimately got their way. The surround mix for their SACDs are DSD conversions from the existing surround master done for the DVD-As from a few years back, and they readily admit as such. That's why I trust and buy from AP and why I don't buy anything from HDTracks.

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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2013, 11:05:10 PM »

In regards to HD tracks, do they provide any information on what type of files they use for the "samples" that you can preview.  I haven't been able to find any definitive answer on the site.  If you could properly sample the music that you are going to buy I wouldn't have an issue with them providing poorly mastered high-res music files. 

Whenever I was considering purchasing an album from them I would check the samples.  If it didn't sound the way I thought it should I wouldn't buy it.  One time I purchased an album where the samples didn't sound very good, but I figured the actual files would be better quality.  Turns out they weren't...lesson learned.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2013, 11:33:01 PM »


Contrast that with Analog Productions and their Doors releases. They wanted original master tapes for their new vinyl issues. The studio tried to give them 24/96 files because the original engineer didn't want to release the tapes. AP said it's originals or we walk, and they ultimately got their way. The surround mix for their SACDs are DSD conversions from the existing surround master done for the DVD-As from a few years back, and they readily admit as such. That's why I trust and buy from AP and why I don't buy anything from HDTracks.

Those new Doors releases are horrendously good, by the way...In case anyone was wondering. Definitely the best copies of those releases I've heard, vinyl or otherwise. At the least the vinyl is anyway. SH seems less impressed with the new SACDs, but I can't comment on those.

S/T is the weakest of the 6 and I have a feeling it because they had to use a janky tape. Due to the fact the original doesn't exist anymore, IIRC.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2013, 03:33:05 AM »

Those new Doors releases are horrendously good, by the way...In case anyone was wondering. Definitely the best copies of those releases I've heard, vinyl or otherwise. At the least the vinyl is anyway. SH seems less impressed with the new SACDs, but I can't comment on those.

S/T is the weakest of the 6 and I have a feeling it because they had to use a janky tape. Due to the fact the original doesn't exist anymore, IIRC.

Yeah I remember hearing that. They did the best they could, but it may make more sense to go buy a '67 Elektra first press which are expensive for a NM, but not outrageously so. The rest of their albums though are all done from proper master tapes and should beat the originals. Analog Productions vinyl is generally phenomenal. Only Music Matters and a few others are in their league.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2013, 12:49:48 PM »

 p:8 Nice way to derail a thread  :)p8
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2013, 01:02:29 PM »

 p;)

Yup, at one point only the music remains subject of the conversation.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2013, 05:38:45 PM »

Portions relating to DSD or hires were moved from the Mytek thread to here.
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Re: DSD or hires nonsense
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2013, 06:33:02 PM »

p;)

Yup, at one point only the music remains subject of the conversation.
As it should be  headbang. My interest for DSD and hires formats is just in case they used a different master. In some cases they did and it's for good, in others  facepalm
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