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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2013, 09:17:09 PM »

So the question is, lets do a relative comparison between the HD800 and HE-500. We'll simplify things for now.

HD800
Nominal impedance: 350 ohms (doubling around ~100Hz)
Power required for 90db SPL: 0.00016 watts

HE-500

Nominal impedance: 46 ohms
Power required for 90db SPL: 0.00204 watts

The amplification question

Most people who own HD800s would agree that some sort of amp with decent power is necessary to get the best of out them in terms of bass precision, control, slam, etc. So lets take for example the BHA-1, EC S7, Mjolnir or even the BA (not as powerful as people think). These three amps will output approximately 300mW to 800mW to the HD800.

HD800 amp power / 90db sensitivity ratio

So let's do 90db sensitivity thing and come up with a ratio. For the sake of simplicity, let's pick a number and use 500 mW for the output of a typical HD800 amp in a "good" setup:

0.500 W / 0.00016 = 3125 x

HE-500 amp power / 90db sensitivity ratio

So let's say we are using a speaker amp which outputs about 8 watts into 46 ohms (again, keeping in mind that 46 ohms is much much higher than most speakers which are nominal 8 or 4 ohms, hence less power into headphones).

8 W / 0.00204 = 3921 x

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The mega power amp paired with the HE-500 has a higher power / headphone sensitivity ratio, but it's not any more overkill than many amps commonly paired with the HD800. We are still playing within the same magnitude.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2013, 10:16:40 PM »

Let's extend the study with the usual dB's instead of factors of power (some may prefer dB over factors).

HD800 (350 Ohm) needs 0.16mW for 90dB SPL (0.235V), driven to 500mW will require 13.2Veff and only draws a 0.04A current
with 500mW you will end up (if the HD800 would behave linear which it probably doesn't at these levels) with 125dB SPL
This output voltage is equal to a 45W into 4 Ohm power amplifier which thus could also be used instead of a headphone amp without any output resistors added.

HE-500 (46 Ohm) needs 2.04mW for 90dB SPL (0.306V), driven to 8W will require 19Veff and draws 0.4A of current.
with 8W you will end up with 126dB SPL
This output voltage is equal to a 90W into 4 Ohm power amplifier which thus could also be used instead of a headphone amp without any output resistors added.

So equally loud yet the HE500 is 16x as inefficient.

Let's hope that target SPL are merely extremely short peaks in very dynamic music ... for our ears' sakes.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2013, 10:21:15 PM »

Thanks for doing that Purrin!  I want to hear my orthos on a power amp now! 
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2013, 10:26:10 PM »

When do I get to hear this beauty of a system?  p:3
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2013, 10:30:53 PM »

Anytime. I'm in all week. Need to give you Frogbeats back.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2013, 10:33:02 PM »

Anytime. I'm in all week. Need to give you Frogbeats back.

Let me know what your preferred time is after 6pm Monday - Friday.  :)
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2013, 10:34:11 PM »

Tonight should work.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2013, 10:35:15 PM »

Whoa, must have missed this thread... I have a Crest CA-2 in the basement I kid you not, I'm going to drag it up and give it a spin with my orthos..
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2013, 10:37:23 PM »

Tonight should work.

See you tonight.   ;D
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2013, 10:52:58 PM »

Thanks for doing that Purrin!  I want to hear my orthos on a power amp now!

Just thinking out loud (hoping someone will catch my mistakes for add stuff.)

@Solderdude: Thanks for putting in db / log terms - which is more appropriate since we hear that way.



Whoa, must have missed this thread... I have a Crest CA-2 in the basement I kid you not, I'm going to drag it up and give it a spin with my orthos..

WTH? Do we have a Crest CA-2 club now?  :-\
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