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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 05:28:16 PM »

Maybe the coarse traces on the large HiFiMan diaphragms require a steady stream of more tightly packed electrons.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 06:15:23 PM »

^Ya but shouldn't 8W be an overkill even for hifiman orthos?

I think so looking at the SPL and inevitable compression at those powers  ;)
Short peaks however with average powers of about 10dB lower (0.8W) will give it great and realistic dynamics.

I still have to build myself a peak meter (was in the pipeline) to 'see' the shortest of peaks an d how big they are.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 07:03:18 PM »

Why I would like explore is why the increase in precision and control? Will need to try other headphones to see if the react similarly.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 07:23:15 PM »

^ Would it be possible for you to run your distortion measurements out of this rig ?
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 09:25:11 PM »

I would love to see measurements for this too.

Also interested if an Audeze phone can get a great synergy like this as well.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2013, 09:29:11 PM »

LOL, you guys are thinking exactly the same thing I was when I on my way to visit a client this morning. Just got to get off my ass and haul either the PC / test rig downstairs, or power amp / preamp upstairs. Hmmm, that's an easy decision.


I will have to do it in the middle of the night...
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 06:05:45 AM »

Also interested if an Audeze phone can get a great synergy like this as well.

Yes, the best I ever heard the LCD2 r.1 was on my old Sansui.  It grabbed that driver by ballz even w/ high output z.

I'll bring over my HE5 to play w/ the CA2.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 07:42:29 AM »

Any real reason to keep the preamp in this setup?
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 08:52:42 AM »

Volume control.  Probably not a good idea to use passive volume control in this case b/c I'm taking the signal from the DAC directly from the chips without an active buffer stage (part of the mods). DCX2496 has digital volume control, but it's limited to -15db.
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Re: SYNERGISTIC SYSTEM: An awesome setup for the HE500
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2013, 08:36:52 PM »

On the tangent of easy or difficult loads, the perspective from speaker amps and speakers is this:

As guru implied, the impedance of orthos tends to be more even throughout the frequency range. Take BG NeoCD planar drivers. A flat 4 ohms from 20Hz to 20kHz. Whereas with traditional dynamic drivers (especially in multi-way configuration with crossovers) can tend to have really screwy impedance with some spots at nominal rated 8 ohms, a rising impedance to 16 ohms or more in the treble, and on occasion even some dips way down to 2 ohms (getting closer to a short circuit).

Amps don't like driving things which are near a short circuit. Such amps do exist, but I believe they are called arc-welders, and are probably not suited for reproducing audio frequencies. Another important reason is that transducer systems which have screwy impedance will have FR irregularities depending upon output impedance of the amp. This is rarely a problem with solid-state systems with large amount of feedback = very low, almost 0 output impedance. Tube amps however will have a more difficult time.

Now going back to the case of multi-way dynamic speaker systems. It is indeed possible to flatten the impedance curve of such systems through use of passive components, i.e. caps, coils, resistors, etc. The downside to this approach, is that these components, while they make the speaker more palatable to amps, also act as heat-sinks essentially wasting energy output from the amp. Some designers elect to implement these impedance compensation circuits, others elect to leave them out (and assume you have a super duper mega power amp which be double as a welder.)

At any rate, orthos are different in that they tend to have lowish impedance, but poor efficiency. I would not say orthos are an easy load to drive compared to Grados / ATs (extremely efficient, low impedance) or Senns (moderately efficient, high impedance).

More thoughts later.
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