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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2013, 09:36:06 PM »

Wait a minute...what's this dust cover business? The template only has the creatology ring and the drawer liner...what's the white part beneath the creatology in the first pic that purrin posted? Anyone?

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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2013, 10:51:46 PM »

I think that is just the reflective metal mesh.
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #132 on: May 20, 2013, 11:32:13 PM »

Yeah I'd be quite happy to spend like 20 bucks on a prepackaged mod. I tried Rabid Dawg 2.0 and I'm loving it so far :)

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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #133 on: June 03, 2013, 07:50:39 PM »

For the work that Anal has done and the (expected) advances in the new version, I think he should get more than $20. I would think $50-100, prepackaged and ready to install (i.e. no trimming needed) would be fair.
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #134 on: June 23, 2013, 02:34:18 PM »

 walk the plank2OK I've been experimenting with the anax 2.0 for a bit, but wasn't 100% happy with it, at least in terms of the fit.  Recently I've adapted it a bit having the shelf liner material only cover the metal grille, no overlap with the felt ring or trapezoid.  This seems to be the sound and fit I am happiest with.  Sound is much faster and more resolving compared tomanax 1.0, thats about the limit of my insight for now.

Making a template might be difficult.  I might try or auggest using paper, cutting it to size gradually and then doing the shelf liner.  This would also solve the 3d curvature issues.  I will try this when I find some time.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2013, 02:45:41 PM by drez »
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #135 on: June 23, 2013, 09:34:40 PM »

Interesting idea...I just got finished trying out the shelf liner covering only the silver mesh.  I really like the sound, I thought it brought out the bass a bit more and found it overall to be very engaging.  I ended up using shelf liner over the silver mesh with the original shelf liner on top of it.  This brought back some of the treble and increased the dynamics without losing the bass.  Not sure if I will end up keeping it this way or not.  I found that using the 2.0 lacked a little something for me over just using the shelf liner with no foam.  The sound without foam was more open but a little bit harsh with treble still.  I think everyone's preference may vary based on the upstream equipment as well.
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #136 on: June 24, 2013, 01:47:10 AM »

^ Good ear.  ;)
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #137 on: June 24, 2013, 10:18:33 PM »

Haha I am assuming that means your impressions were similar to mine?  After some more listening I found the foam ring and two layers of shelf liner was pretty much the same as one layer of shelf liner except lacking the openness that I loved about the HD800 in the first place.  I think it may have also killed some of the really low bass.  Back to the drawing board to try to figure out how to keep the sound of the 2.0 mod with a more open sound.  I really hope that the 3.0 is able to do this whenever it is released.

This modding stuff is fun.  Sometimes the results are a bit counter intuitive.  No damping=treble and too much damping=treble.  I am starting to appreciate the work that went into the 2.0 in the first place.  Clearly this is a great starting point for more experimentation.  Right now I am thinking of trying a shelf liner circle to replace the foam.  After that maybe trying some different types of shelf liner (last time I checked there were tons).
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #138 on: June 25, 2013, 01:25:47 AM »

This modding stuff is fun.  Sometimes the results are a bit counter intuitive.  No damping=treble and too much damping=treble.  I am starting to appreciate the work that went into the 2.0 in the first place.  Clearly this is a great starting point for more experimentation.  Right now I am thinking of trying a shelf liner circle to replace the foam.  After that maybe trying some different types of shelf liner (last time I checked there were tons).

Simpler terms:
Too much damping = reduced compliance = higher resonant frequency = treble + extreme highs rolloff. Also reduced efficiency which can also lead to bass drop.
No damping = ringing in small cavity = peaky treble.
Hard damping boundary = edge effects = time domain smearing = long decay, usually in mids/highs.

I recommend plain old cotton wool as a material. The better replacements are different kinds of wool - mostly trading availability, softness and ease of controlling density for moisture resistance and mass.
Kapok (Java cotton) is another excellent material, very water resistant with larger fibers. You should be able to get it inside some pillow as stuffing.
Fiberglass wool, rock wool and mineral wool are highly annoying to work with...
Various foams can also be used, but I find cotton to work better. Albeit it's easier to create very low density foams reliably than very low density cotton sheets.
If you want something very pressure linear and not too damping (medium density), a good quality wool rolag is probably best. Can be found in specialty shops.

Oh, and if you are really feeling cost no object, unprocessed silk is an excellent material too - silk noil. It's not actually *that* expensive either. (Mulberry/cultivated is more even than Tussah/wild.)

http://prosiding.papsi.org/index.php/APS/article/view/356 - some interesting article. So kapok is good for low midrange damping, while glass wool is better for higher frequencies...

Felt is usually strictly inferior to typical high density wool in audio applications - its only saving grace is mechanical resilience, which is of no use in an earcup.
There are many kinds of felt, so talking "felt" means nothing. Typical are synthetic polypropylene, cotton and wool; silk is rare, but might be around.
The main difference is the very short randomly distributed fibres in the felt process.
Most kinds of felt are too high density for damping applications - you want something on the order of 100 - 200 g/m^2 - and most kinds of felt are 600-800 g/m^2. (Thicker lighter is better.) Something that dense will be more akin to a wall for air pressure waves.
And if you need some specific damping, felt is not as controllable as a mix of looser fabrics.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2013, 11:22:58 AM by AstralStorm »
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #139 on: June 26, 2013, 12:05:35 AM »

Cool stuff AstralStorm, thanks for the information.   My only problem with using these materials for modding the HD800 is that they aren't being placed inside a headphone enclosure.  They are just sitting open in the HD800 earcups, which could make fibers messy and hard to control.  You would definitely need some way to keep the cotton in place.  Maybe some cotton in place of the foam with the shelf liner on top to keep it in place?  Might have to try it.  It may sound silly, but I have been taking apart some of my girlfriends yarn (she is a big knitter) and using that material to damp the T50rp.  I thought it would be a decent starting place since it is high quality organic material (i.e. no polyester and other synthetic fibers).  I have gone back to using the foam with shelf liner covering the silver mesh like drez suggested.  I really like it...definitely more laid back sound compared to stock, and I think more open sounding than the 2.0.  It actually made me appreciate the bass in my music, it kind of reminds me of the LCD2 I tried briefly at a meet.  I had been craving that engaging fun sound that I experienced, I was even considering a pair of LCD2 to supplement the HD800  :)p8...not anymore though.
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