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Author Topic: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)  (Read 82775 times)

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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #170 on: February 21, 2014, 01:58:39 AM »

Yep that makes perfect sense.  I should have put the dust covers back in.

Right now I am using a shelf liner ring instead of the foam ring with the original shelf liner from 2.0 on top.  Not sure why but it seems to extend the soundstage out towards the front with better 3 dimensional layering.  Less of a horseshoe shaped soundstage.  I am really digging the presentation so far, but something seems a little off.  I think the attack is a bit dulled with this setup.

I still need to go back and rework the 2.0 mod so that everything fits together better.  It can be a bit of a pain to cram everything in there and get it to sit properly.
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #171 on: February 21, 2014, 02:06:35 AM »

Keep at it Darth. After a year and a half, the Anax 3.0 aka Rabid Dawg part duex doesn't seem to be coming out any time soon.  :)p8
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #172 on: February 21, 2014, 04:37:37 PM »

Experienced the same thing a while back, could not really tolerate the diffused/fuzzy imaging either with the mods out. Popped it back in and all was great. Still waiting on 3.0 :3
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #173 on: February 23, 2014, 08:55:32 PM »

Well, I am done with the Tyll's mod... After trying out a lot of things, the best-sounding way how to use it in my experience is this:



Instead of using the whole pieces, I just use the small rectangular parts (in red, size is only an approximation)... It makes vocals as great as with no-dust-covers configuration, makes imaging at sides less fuzzy without making soundstage less wide or deep... and all the glorious detail is there (which is not true with full Tyll's Anax mod). The downside is that there is still a bit too much of air, making background a bit too grayish. It does not make imaging less apparent but you just hear a bit more gray background than would be ideal. Another downsize is that ringing is not reduced sufficiently... but IMHO it's not reduced any better with the full Tyll's Anax mod either so no change here.

Looking forward to try the Changstar version... But I am quite worried because people hyped the Tyll's version how impressive it is... and well, it is certainly fine but nowhere near perfect.

EDIT: Forgot to add that the overall tonality is still brighter than neutral... But that should be obvious.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 09:14:33 PM by Darth Obvious »
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« Reply #174 on: March 04, 2014, 08:42:08 PM »

I did the Anax Mod 2.0 today. Problem: the size of the shelf liner cutout in the pdf template is not right. It's too big and small, lol. The size of the foam ring and trapezoid are correct and fit perfectly. I don't live in the US so I'm using different rug liner. I may upload pics of that later.

I had to cut a little piece of the ring out so it could fit flat in my HD800. Also, the rug liner material does not cover all the metal mesh. How problematic is that? I'm hearing a huge peak @ 5.4kHz.
Thanks in advance! I love this board  :-*
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #175 on: March 05, 2014, 01:43:49 AM »

I have found a difference between the two different shelf liners I used.  The thicker one was marginally better.

Fitting it in is a bit tricky.  I like to make the outside edge a bit bigger than the pattern so the pads press it down.  Seems to help keep it smoothed out and in place.  Also cut the inside hole a little smaller, get it to sit flat, then trim out the inside until it fits.  That has been the best strategy for me so far.  I have used a couple dabs of superglue to stick the liner to the foam but if the liner doesn't fit snugly it doesn't work that well.

The more complicated option that I have used is to roll the liner into a cone to mimic the tapered edges, cut out the bottom, trim the top to fit and then use a couple dabs of super glue to stick it together.  I can see if I can dig out the template I made, it isn't perfect but it is a decent starting place.  I gave up because it was to much work and I have found the other technique I mentioned works just as well.
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #176 on: March 05, 2014, 02:11:09 AM »

When I fussed with the shelf liner material I used up a whole bunch of it, but since the roll of it I purchased was many times greater than what I needed I didn't worry about 'making mistakes' and wasting it.
I wound up using ≈ 6 pieces to make one that worked.


The stuff I used would tear and disintegrate where it was stuck to the dbl sided tape I used to affix it to the central ring.
After a while I learned to 'dirty' up the tape a bit so it would let go more easily.
I did use 4-5 pieces of tape around the ring to hold the shelf liner in place and one more piece on the flat plastic 'support' structure. 
Then it was just a matter of tucking the edge of the liner under the ear pads at the outside edge. 
I trimmed the shape of the outside edge to match where it was held by the ear pads so there were no wrinkles and everything laid down flat.


It was a labor intensive process but it did work well, after all was said and done.


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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #177 on: March 11, 2014, 09:06:43 PM »

I have successfully finished the Anax 2.0 mod about an hour ago... OMG, I don't wanna do that shelf liner part ever again! Btw, I would like to thank Stapsy again for helping me!

My first impressions (I doubt they will change):
1) Imaging is brilliant - as good as before at center and not diffuse at all at sides... Simply precision. This is the most evident highlight of this mod.
2) Airiness is not decreased, at least not to my ears, in comparison to stock... This is definitely an improvement over Tyll's version which lacked air. On the other hand, his version improved blackness of background which is not the case here.
3) Soundstage is absolutely fine in terms of width or height and depth also remains about the same as stock (not as good as with no dust covers)... So I would say a definite satisfaction and again improvement over Tyll's version which lacked depth (at least IMHO).
4) Tonality is the same as with stock headphones... I mean REALLY the same - not slightly more bassy and sibilant as with Tyll's version (at least this was my experience). This Changstar version definitely does not change the headphone - only decrease the peakiness... Meaning that these headphones are still bright and still very honest. They didnt transform into something more forgiving i would say - but you can hear that upper mids/lower treble are cleaner (especially gonna be appreciated when you turn the volume up).
5) Ringing/excess energy is definitely decreased but I can still slightly hear it... I am looking forward to try the Rabid Dog II because of this.

I wasn't impressed at all after listening to a song or two at first because my brain expected some kind of BIGGER change in sound because of all the waiting (for materials) and effort I put into doing this modification properly. But then you start to realise that this exactly was the purpose - the Anax 2.0 doesn't transform HD800s into something else at all - only subtle "adjustments" happen to reduce their flaws without changing the rest. I admire Tyll's articles and all his work for our audiophile community... But he should seriously skip his version of Anax mod and try this one instead - Changstar's version does its job significantly better.  :)p4
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #178 on: March 12, 2014, 09:07:54 PM »

Posting a few images of the finished modification:





As I mentioned in the previous post, I still could hear some ringing... And to be honest, I started to be worried about my ears - whether it's not my fault that I hear something that is not there. Therefore, I tried to use the shelf liner to cover the trapezoid part as well (it's not covered with the original modification, at least according to images on Changstar).


(additionally covered part in RED)

And I can honestly say that I only hear a tiny bit of ringing now - situation improved again (but still not perfect). It seems that my ears just became overly sensitive which is obviously not good for me... Now I am worried about buying any headphones that shows some signs of resonant behavior.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 09:14:55 PM by Darth Obvious »
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Re: New upcoming HD800 mod... Rabid Dawg ][ (anax 3.0)
« Reply #179 on: March 12, 2014, 09:21:01 PM »

Leaving the dust cover on seems to help a little with the treble. You may want to try that.
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