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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 05:50:41 PM »

Don, I believed we may have discussed this before.  It may just come down to the idea that Craig is willing to take a smaller markup than other manufacturers as opposed to Alex taking a higher than normal one.  I had a conversation with Craig over the summer about a TOTL stat amp that would be TOTL cosmetically as well as mechanically, a la some of his old moth line.  He estimated that costs would run almost 5K per unit if he were to attempt such a monstrosity again (which he wouldn't) and he said he'd sell it at about 7K.  That floored me because no other cottage manufacturer in the industry would be willing to deal with those margins. 

Having the LL in hand, it was a very clean build, with care taken to little things (such as no visible screws and tight lines.)  Reminded me a little bit of the Resonessence build style.

I was supposed to bring in the Electra for an earlier meet that never materialized.  Perhaps if one does in the near future I'll still be able to bring it in.  I'm also contemplating doing RMAF for the first time if I can get someone to cover for me that weekend.

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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 06:18:22 PM »

Don, the changes were mainly internal. I think he simplified some circuitry, got rid of some caps in the front, got rid of the big caps at the end by going with a bipolar power supply, and replaced some inter-stage caps with transformers. I'm sure the PCB is a mess with components hanging off of it.

Yeah - Craig. He works for peanuts. He probably made $200 for each Super 7 sold.

BTW, I ordered the Electra. That's how highly I think of it. There should be some special introductory price. This is the "FUCK YOU - you are not going to get any work done today" stat amp.
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2012, 08:22:09 PM »

It's a shame that Craig doesn't do a balls-to-the-wall TOTL stat amp.  IMO, once you get above the $3k price point, I think most guys aren't going to quibble over $1k here or $2k there if it means a reasonably 'no expenses have been spared' approach to the components and cosmetics.  Over 50% of BSHEs ship with the Alps pot upgrade, even though it's likely that no one but Justin really knows what the SQ difference between the two pots are.  I have some issues with the S7, and from a brand perspective, I get the same concerns when I hear that he's trying to keep costs down on the Electra.  Meanwhile, with Headamp, I feel that Justin doesn't cut corners and I'm going to get a beautifully engineered and designed piece.

I sort of agree with the 'flatness' of both the BH and LL.  I'm running a true balanced 300B (quad EML 300B solid plates) preamp into my GES, and the depth is considerably larger than what I heard on the BH and LL, on both the 007 and 009.  I'm pretty curious how the BHSE will pair with the 300B preamp, and depending on the output, I have two sets of 6SL7 driver tubes to tweak the depth and bassyness of the sound.

BHSE comes in next week.  If it matches well with a DHT preamp driving it, then I'm done.  If it doesn't go far enough, I may sell the BHSE and wait for the Electra.  Totally speculating, but just based on written impressions, it sounds like the LL falls somewhere between the Electra and BHSE in overall resolution, soundstaging, and bass?
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2012, 09:16:21 PM »

I'm sure the $7k TOTL stat amp will come later. I've heard some details, but won't bother mentioning anything as these types of things are completely subject to change. The Electra has been a good example of such change (from early prototype, mid prototype, to pre-production.) Heck, Craig even stated he hated the EL34 tube, and now he's using it in the Electra. I do know he is trying to get a Moth-esq thing off the ground again, possible for his slated TOTL stat amp, whenever that actually gets off the ground.

As far as "flatness", what I was referring to was the dynamics (and more specifically micro-dynamics) rather than soundstage. In this respect, I find the BHSE to be a flatter sounding than the LL. But the BHSE provides more driver control, precision, and bass extension.

I won't comment on specific attributes of the Electra vs. BHSE or LL without direct comparison. As far as a balls-to-the-wall TOTL stat amp, I feel the Electra as it currently stands will easily compete with or even surpass the current crop of good stat amps, this keeping in mind that I have my own sonic priorities which may differ with others. We are no longer talking about a compromised design with the Electra, and the increased price reflects that. (I don't know if it was made clear that Craig decided to ditch the entry level amp idea - the Electra after all was supposed to be $2200 when first envisioned.)

Ultimately we are talking about different flavors here. Some people will prefer the BHSE others will prefer LL or Electra or WES. Considering what I already have, I wouldn't put myself on the order list for the Electra if I felt it wasn't competitive and at least did some things better.
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2012, 09:32:01 PM »

Will look forward to hearing this amp at the LA meet. Will definitely be comparing with the LL. BHSE..meh its not my flavor. Too flat sounding as you say Marv.
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2012, 09:38:59 PM »

The LL is warming sounding than the BHSE too.
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2012, 09:51:51 PM »

It would be nice if Craig does end up going balls-to-the-wall again at some point.  He sort of gave me the impression that he was reluctant to for two reasons - one was he felt it was a "young man's game," and two he thought the market for higher end headphone-specific products was just way too small of a niche.  When I threw out the numbers to him though (like how the whole 45 amp 2nd run of BHSE's had sold out and a third run had been started) he definitely seemed more receptive.  I don't think he keeps up with the forums much so he may not have realized that the market has grown and a run or two of 10-20 of this TOTL amp may be possible. 

To extrapolate the BHSE as being similar to the KGSSHV (don't know if that is accurate or not), I would call it and the LL different flavors in the end.  There will be those who prefer one over the other and vice versa.

Here's some speculation:

I think part of the persistence of some users who keep harping on the "as good as T2" thing is if it's "only" as good as the BHSE in their eyes, they'll get the BHSE, as it has been around and has a higher KLOUT score.  Justin's seriously awesome build quality is a factor too.  With the LL, Alex has an ace card that many potential owners would prefer and no current commercial headamp stat amp can match - solid state.  But for Craig, he either has to beat the BHSE on price (by at least a good thousand bucks) or sound quality (in a not super-subtle way) to shift some of the masses of "BHSE is the only way" users to try out the Electra.  Then again, he has a significant base of appreciative owner's from his dynamic line so maybe there would be enough interest even if he didn't accomplish this.

I'd like to see this market grow enough for Justin (by proxy Kevin's designs) Craig and Pete to all have TOTL amps in the field.  I've heard a few rumors about a couple speaker companies doing headphone stat amps - this whole market could get really interesting.

An aside - for Pete to compete with Craig's pricing he's got to do the sell direct thing like Headamp and EC and not give TTVJ whatever percent he is. 

Wow that was a long post.  Stream of conscientiousness consciousness for the win.
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2012, 09:56:37 PM »

Yeah, and not to use Todd's Meridian as a source when voicing his (Pete's) amps as of late...
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2012, 10:01:36 PM »

With the LL, Alex has an ace card that many potential owners would prefer and no current commercial headamp stat amp can match - solid state.

Excepting Stax, of course  ;)
For the price of the LL you can pick up both a 323 and a 727.
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Re: Eddie Current Electra Q&A
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2012, 10:05:56 PM »

With the LL, Alex has an ace card that many potential owners would prefer and no current commercial headamp stat amp can match - solid state.

Excepting Stax, of course  ;)
For the price of the LL you can pick up both a 323 and a 727.

your point being what exactly?

WHy would you need two amps to begin with in the first place ? and why would you buy one entry level amp and one mid level amp?
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