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Re: Neutrality
« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2012, 01:28:49 AM »

I say [HTRF effects] exist but [they] only matter if all other factors are also done right. It is useless to calculate HRTFs if a headphone doesn't sound fundamentally correct in the first place.

Bingo! I think a lot of delusional basket-cases ridiculously hype HTRF as a reason why measurements and trying to objective (even with your ears[!!!]) is pointless.

P.S. - I love how "debates" on here actually end with some consensus and advancement.   :)p1  Suck it, HF!
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Re: Neutrality
« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2012, 08:40:34 AM »

If you want to pm me some info on why HRTF applies when the driver is close to the ear and not for real life or speakers, that would be cool.  Also would like to know if a sealed chamber around the ear creates unique hearing in all of us, then whether velour negates that since it doesn't seal.  And whether the K1000 has less HRTF issues.

Actually, HRTF applies to speakers as well - but it's the complete HRTF, which is completely compensated by the brain. Headphones remove at least the torso part of it, even K1000 and open ones. (K1000 allows partial reproduction of head shadowing, but still not torso response.) IEMs remove the auricular part and depending on insertion depth, change ear canal resonance (acoustic impedance).
This means that brain will overcompensate some parts of the sound. So what we're actually dealing with is applying inverse partial HRTF.
HRTFs can change over time somewhat, as they are based though on physiology.

Sealed ear canal creates a resonant mode depending on ear canal shape - normally ear canal is not sealed on either end, having modes similar to "open pipe", closing it converts them to "half-pipe", changing resonant frequecy by half or so, depending on the extra chamber size added our of the ear. It's as simple as that.

I'm very open to quantifying the variability in human hearing. This could be done, with error bars, clustering, etc. Also quantifying fit-refit variability and measurement variability. (It seems purrin has partially done the latter - I'd prefer more rigorous presentation of that info.)
If we get that information, we can devise a headphone and/or IEM that sounds flat for most people - truly neutral.

Obviously there are other pitfalls, like the namesake, effin' ringin' and other kinds of distortion.
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Re: Neutrality
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2013, 09:12:43 PM »

Does this site have a guide for decent neutral components?
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Re: Neutrality
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2015, 12:28:46 PM »

Ask Solderdude and Rabbit for that too. On RG there is much debate about good gear, taking it apart and measuring components.

If I would have been seriously into DIY RG would be one of my favourite places on the internet.
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