Topic: Neutrality (Read 11728 times)

Deep Funk · « **Reply #40 on:** December 02, 2012, 01:22:20 PM »

The thing is that I started quite late in this hobby. I always loved listening and analysing music but it wasn't until I was 21 that I started to seriously look at headphones and the science behind audio.

For the time being I can only read and observe. Learning to play an instrument comes as an extra and if ever I can become a sound engineer I'll have to start from scratch because I never understood the use of the exact sciences until I came to understand how much the exact sciences have meant for audio. (I consider music my sanity medicine.)

As a kid I was more drawn to the cultural and linguistic side of the school programme and now, years later I'm slowly trying to understand what I never really grasped: exact sciences. (Quite lovely how my school insisted on theory more than theory and practica otherwise I would've been into exact sciences a long time ago, oh well...)

Regarding to neutrality in audio, I can't quite grasp it. I tried some headphones of which some have been mentioned as 'neutral' sounding but as far as I know neutral comes in flavours depending on what the manufacturer deems 'neutral' and all I can do is choose which flavour is most to my liking. Therefore I decided to use the word neutral regarding audio as little as possible...

(If I come across as naive so be it. There is a limit to what I know and understand.)

MuppetFace · « **Reply #41 on:** December 02, 2012, 06:06:09 PM »

Quote from: Tari on December 02, 2012, 05:17:36 AM

Of course, with the advent of the internet there is the phenomenon of a million "reviewers" all over forums, and sometimes they can start trends that just aren't true (L3000's bass - in reality it has horrible extension) or post misleading impressions, leading to it becoming a "thing" that gets repeated until everything is clear as mud.

Yeah, the L3000 has rather poor bass extension. Seeing people wax lyrical about it has been a source of befuddlement for me since joining head-fi...

rhythmdevils · « **Reply #42 on:** December 02, 2012, 07:50:16 PM »

Quote from: wiinippongamer on December 02, 2012, 06:31:38 AM

RD, you're mising missing the point of HRTF in headphones. It's only relevant due to the proximity of the transducer to the ear and the chamber that forms between them, it has nothing to do with how our brains adapt early on on life or how we hear real life. It's just the way sound waves behave and how physics work.

My experience says otherwise based on trends on HF and my own experience comparing headphones to speakers along with simple logic. HRTF may play a small role and explain a very small percentage of the differences between headphones and impressions, but my main point is simply that HRTF does not explain the wild variation in headphone signatures. There is not that much difference. No one hears the inverse of an ED10. That is a bullshit excuse to validate wacky preferences. I think HRTF is misused and exaggerated and distorted by headphone crazies.

There's a lot more I could say, but I'm weary of derailing this thread wiht my thoughts on HRTF.

wiinippongamer · « **Reply #43 on:** December 02, 2012, 08:46:18 PM »

I wouldn't call +/- 5db either way of difference between subjects a "very small" difference. The ED10 and similar hyper-expensive phones have only one explanation: total morons.

rhythmdevils · « **Reply #44 on:** December 02, 2012, 09:01:39 PM »

I didn't say +/- 5dB. Whatever difference there is, it is not meaningful compared to the real problems and real reasons behind the variation in headphone signature and preferences.

wiinippongamer · « **Reply #45 on:** December 02, 2012, 09:12:39 PM »

My point was just to get across that there's no thing as 100% anally-neutral in a headphone, compared to speakers, unless HRTF is compensated for. A better standart target curve will go a long way ofcourse. From there on people just need to stop buying whatever manufacturers like to pull out their asses, and that's probably the hardest part of it all.

rhythmdevils · « **Reply #46 on:** December 02, 2012, 09:13:49 PM »

I disagree, there is neutral. I'll go ahead an say it- I think HRTF is fucking bullshit

wiinippongamer · « **Reply #47 on:** December 02, 2012, 09:16:45 PM »

Cool, cool. No ~~concrete basis~~ explanation whatsoever... I give up.

Move along with the thread.

rhythmdevils · « **Reply #48 on:** December 02, 2012, 09:18:41 PM »

I have plenty of basis, this isn't head-fi. Just not wanting to get into it here and now because it always leads to a lot of bullshit debate.

I'll start a thread at some point.

LFF · « **Reply #49 on:** December 02, 2012, 10:13:45 PM »

Quote from: rhythmdevils on December 02, 2012, 09:13:49 PM

I disagree, there is neutral. I'll go ahead an say it- I think HRTF is fucking bullshit

HRTF is bs because there are just too many variables. Averaging doesn't seem to help much either.

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