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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2015, 09:40:02 PM »

Oh gawd, it might be even worse than we thought...

"I built a clock to impress my teacher but when I showed it to her she thought it was a threat to her. I'm very sad that she got the wrong impression of it."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34266389

Kid might have had a crush on her which is why he ignored advice to hide it. facepalm Love is a dangerous thing. ;D
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2015, 09:41:49 PM »

See the thread heading!
 :)p13 :)p13 :)p13


You were on about some imagined plot by an Islamic father to benefit his son. It was you that lost your own plot after that.

What, me? Was I the one who tried to stereotype Islamic Fathers?

Oh... come on...

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1-I see actual logic isn't going to get us anywhere... :-Z

2-Yes, any links and evidence that runs contrary to your own bias is strictly imaginary.

Logic will definitely not get us anywhere.  facepalm

3-Yes, actually it was you for thinking Islamic parents are beyond such things. The evidence is clearly against your notion of a wonderful world where these things don't happen. I only mentioned it as a possibility backed up by actual evidence and what was known at the time per the wonderful media.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2015, 09:46:25 PM »

Because when people get scared they freak out and act instinctively. I'd like to see how you'd react if you were standing next to the LA Marathon and happened to see what looked like a pressure cooker in an unattended bag. You going to spend 15 minutes walking around asking everyone if it's theirs?

Context is important. When I see unattended bag at airport or train station I might wonder. If I see brown kid with science project in school my mind doesn't immediately jump to "allahu-ackbar". Maybe my brain would more easily make that sort of jump if I had eaten a few burgers on the way to class and jerked off to pictures of Reagan. The American brain is truly an incredible phenomena. All that body fat is seeping in there and disrupting neuron firing.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/muslim-student-arrested-hoax-bomb-clock-150916062821415.html

According to the kid he did tell them repeatedly that it was a clock and not a bomb. Maybe he wasn't understood well enough because of nerdy autistic speech patterns. Also, as I understand, was a violation of his rights to be questioned without parents. The fact that they tried to get him to sign some papers is very shady. This is what the issue should be about. Assuming guilt based on imaginary 24 scenario. At least he didn't get waterboarded by Chuck Norris Texas Ranger with a freedom boner.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2015, 09:46:59 PM »

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I see actual logic isn't going to get us anywhere...

Right. Have you tried actual joined up thinking?

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Yes, any links and evidence that runs contrary to your own bias is strictly imaginary.

I don't think I am bringing any blatant bias into this. Your opinion, of course, varies.

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Yes, actually it was you for thinking Islamic parents are beyond such things.

I did not think that, and I didn't write it.

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The evidence is clearly against your notion of a wonderful world where these things don't happen.


I did not think that, and I didn't write it.

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I only mentioned it as a possibility backed up by actual evidence and what was known at the time per the wonderful media.

And you did not write that.  Lets remind ourselves of where you  planted the goalposts that began this exchange...

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Bravo! Nails it. Another case of an Islamic father manipulating his children to gain political capital and sympathy from western dunderheads.

Which, I think... nails it. And finishes the conversation. For me, at least.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2015, 10:08:22 PM by Thad E Ginathom »
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2015, 09:48:52 PM »

Thanks for the video! And yeah, pretty much what I thought.

My guess is that it's not so much intelligence as it is SCD/SPD - Social-Communication/Social-Pragmatics Disorder. (Generally, people call it PLI - Pragmatic Language Impairment - these days, but it's more than just language but social contextual clues as well.)



My guess is that the teacher who told him not to let anyone else see it thought that he would understand the subtext well enough. (HINT: People might think its a bomb.) People with PLI won't get that. He even plugged it in in the middle of class without understanding what people might be worried about. I bet he explained the clock to the cops and other teachers just like he did on the video, probably in nearly the same pitch and cadence.

OK I'm braking a promise not to post again.  AV, based on your description , in my experience most high school freshmen have PLI. Those of us who have worked with freshman have other names for it. :)

For decades I have gone over the safety rules about not putting metal objects into electrical sockets. I even did a demo showing how a pickle would be electrocuted with ordinary 110V plugs. I used a real pickle, explaining that the pickle was like a person, had salt etc.  One year a boy ran up, grabbed the electrocuted pickle before I could stop him and ate it! Every year for at least 15 years, some freshman boy at some point during the year, would stick a paper clip onto a socket and knock himself to the floor.  14 is an amazing year for humans. It is a wonder we survive it.  I could write a book. All I can say is if any of you have a 14 year old, and they do something really incomprehensible and you ask them what they where thinking? If they reply "I don't know", that is the truthful answer. Accept it.

I am not surprised at all that this young man plugged his clock in during class. Maybe we should start a thread for pirate parents to help explain what they may see from about 13 to 15 with their children.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2015, 09:55:01 PM »

Btw, anyone else feel it's time we started holding the media accountable for false reporting? The people need to come after these scumbag yellow journalists.

It's a feature, not a bug.



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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2015, 09:58:07 PM »

Context is important. When I see unattended bag at airport or train station I might wonder. If I see brown kid with science project in school my mind doesn't immediately jump to "allahu-ackbar". Maybe my brain would more easily make that sort of jump if I had eaten a few burgers on the way to class and jerked off to pictures of Reagan. The American brain is truly an incredible phenomena. All that body fat is seeping in there and disrupting neuron firing.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/muslim-student-arrested-hoax-bomb-clock-150916062821415.html

According to the kid he did tell them repeatedly that it was a clock and not a bomb. Maybe he wasn't understood well enough because of nerdy autistic speech patterns. Also, as I understand, was a violation of his rights to be questioned without parents. The fact that they tried to get him to sign some papers is very shady. This is what the issue should be about. Assuming guilt based on imaginary 24 scenario. At least he didn't get waterboarded by Chuck Norris Texas Ranger with a freedom boner.

So is actually reading the entire thread before posting redundant information. But no need for that when you want to champion a martyr's cause like some parents from your part of the world seem keen on.

Nobody assumed guilt, he was questioned and detained. That is not an assumption of guilt. Take a law or constitution class. Cause and guilt are two different things. He obviously was let go and not charged so I don't see how he was presumed guilty based on the facts. People just wanted to be safe. Also your rights as a minor student in school are severely restricted. Not surprising you didn't know this until now. Administrators always make rules about what you can wear or what you can say, etc. etc. this is n't new and not a thing that came up due to race or culture. Maybe you need to stop jerking off to pictures of Sharpton and Farakhan and put down the bean pies.

So why didn't you make it about the papers? Ask yourself that much. You were just as in the dark about the facts and details as anyone else and posting irrational emotional crap. Get off your high horse Saladin.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2015, 10:02:57 PM »

Simple question then... can police question minors without permission from parents? I am not a lawyer so someone else can explain the nuance of this situation to me.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2015, 10:06:48 PM »

Yes, law enforcement personnel are allowed to question minors without their parents. They are also allowed to question minors without a lawyer present. Don't ask how I know this. This isn't TV.

Asking questions is not necessarily the same thing as taking someone into custody. It's not black and white. Obviously when you get cuffs on you and you hear "you have the right to remain silent"...

A judge of course can throw out any self incriminating statements before Miranda was read.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2015, 10:09:56 PM »

Simple question then... can police question minors without permission from parents? I am not a lawyer so someone else can explain the nuance of this situation to me.

I honestly don't know. I do know they do it all the time and have always done it IME! In all sorts of situations like neighborhood patrols, business related investigations at retail stores, and schools. That's a good question.

I do know cops are allowed to lie and misrepresent facts  during interrogation to obtain information regarding an investigation. That is something different but there might be some sort of police power that extends as such depending on circumstances. Can't say.

-Edit-there you go, Marv has an answer until Paul tells him to move to Russia.
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