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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #100 on: September 18, 2015, 03:48:40 PM »

This kind of stuff won't happen on the new site. TheGame has been instructed to kill these kinds of threads. Consider these threads the last gasps of Changstar.
Even threads like the headphone acquisition flowchart one?
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2015, 04:23:40 PM »

uhnn so Obama invited him to go to the White House to show the clock...
, do you guys know that movie, I guess that the name in english is Troy... popcorn
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #102 on: September 18, 2015, 04:32:00 PM »

But while we are at it, feel free to start burning the place down.

I may not agree on a personal level with a particular "mod" here, but that doesn't mean I don't respect the personal audio related work that you guys do as a website. If I wanted to troll, my post count wouldn't be in the low double digits. I look forward to seeing the new website.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #103 on: September 18, 2015, 04:33:25 PM »

This kind of free-wheeling 90's arguments is going to end like Changstar's 90's design.

Things just aren't the same as the 90's anymore. Thankfully we'll always have Portland.

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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #104 on: September 18, 2015, 04:42:28 PM »

This kind of free-wheeling 90's arguments is going to end like Changstar's 90's design.

Things just aren't the same as the 90's anymore. Thankfully we'll always have Portland.


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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #105 on: September 18, 2015, 05:07:09 PM »

I almost held back about this, but marv said burn the mother down, so...

Ahh, the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, citadels against an overbearing police state, and a source of constantly shifting legal mumbo jumbo. There are only a few bright lines in arrest and miranda jurisprudence, such as: if they have handcuffs on, they are considered "in custody". Importantly "arrest" rules fall under the "seizure" portion of the Fourth Amendment, and "miranda" rules fall under the "due process" portion of the Fifth. Highly related, but still get different analysis. You can be arrested and not questioned, and miranda probably won't come up. You can be questioned without being arrested, this happens a LOT. You can be stopped for questioning without being either.

The thing Marv is saying is correct: the cops can ask all kinds of questions, and intimidate the shit out of the kid, all they want, but any info they get cannot be used against him later (including info they get while following leads based on his statements) if they didn't give miranda warnings; many jurisdictions also require parents be given the option of being present.

OJ's point is also essentially correct: the situation as you describe it is one that almost any court will determine counted as "custodial questioning" and will throw out any statements.

Important clarifications: it is not "illegal" for police to conduct custodial interviews without giving miranda, they just don't get to use the info; "arrest" is not the issue when figuring out when to give miranda, there must be "custody" and "questioning/interview/interrogation"; "custody" is a question of whether a "reasonable person" would feel free to leave in the same situation; "questioning" matters because spontaneous statements are freebies.

All that said, the number of court decisions that are at odds with each other in this territory is immense. I have a hand out somewhere with columns of "not miranda" and "miranda" each containing almost identical circumstances with case citations to the appellate court that made the determination. The same goes for what constitutes invoking miranda, such as saying "I don't want to answer questions anymore" or "I want a lawyer now". It is HIGHLY subjective based on case circumstances. All of these tests, before a court, are called "totality of the circumstances" tests, which is a fancy way of saying "the court can almost always do what it wants, as long as it finds something unique about this set of facts, and explains nominally how it matters."

The cops SHOULD have read the kid miranda if they wanted to use any of the info against him, but they might also have thought "we don't care, we needed the info for safety more than we cared about prosecuting him."

EDIT: Aliki!
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #106 on: September 18, 2015, 07:35:50 PM »

This kind of stuff won't happen on the new site. TheGame has been instructed to kill these kinds of threads. Consider these threads the last gasps of Changstar.

Deserves a good sketch bit.

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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2015, 03:06:25 AM »

This article should put final context on this incident for folks who don't follow current events in the U.S. or are otherwise misinformed.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/09/suspicious_poptart_guns_versus_scientific_suitcase_clocks.html



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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2015, 03:21:23 AM »

I read the news today oh boy
About a lucky lad who made a bomb
And though the news was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph
Cons blew their wads out in rage
They didn't notice that the libs had won
A crowd of people jeered and bitched
They'd seen toy guns before
Nobody was really sure
If Ahmed was a proper poster boy
I see his name now everywhere
Guess Social Justice Warriors won the war
A crowd of people praised his clock
But I just had to look
Having read the blogs
I love mu-tual out-rage...
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #109 on: September 20, 2015, 04:00:11 AM »

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