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kevin

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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2015, 06:57:36 PM »

Why? Surely real bomb makers don't make something that looks so obviously like a bomb? oh-my-god-its-got-wires: Is that the limit of modern inteligence and observation? Or just the extent, coupled with certain appearnacnces, skin colours, and names, of modern bigotry?

Yeah, they do make bombs that look like bombs. And guns that look like guns.

 Modern bigotry? What the heck is that?

The bottom line here is that the next time a kid shoots up or bombs a school cafeteria Obama will own it because of his racial demagoguery.


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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2015, 07:06:51 PM »

Now, back to Ahmed for a moment, I do have an issue with the response if his project was a) known about in advance of that day, b) part of an assignment, and c) seen by a teacher that day, who did not report it when he saw it (meaning someone within "the school" knew conclusively it was not a dangerous item). Those facts tend to make less reasonable Ahmed's later detention, arrest, etc.

We don't have any facts. For all we know Ahmed or perhaps a classmate could have initially joked "it's a bomb" when the teacher asked what was beeping, and then things rapidly went south from there.

This is what I will tell you about the electronics projects I brought to school: I left them in science class in the morning. I did not bring them along with me to other classes. I did not stick them in a suitcase with something going beep in the middle of the class. And I didn't shape to look like pipe bombs or fireworks (explosives were a cool thing in the early 80s for kids to play with. Yes, I did shit like making model rockets with gasoline soaked payloads, and scrape the powder from fireworks to make small bomb-lets, but I did that stuff far away from school.)

On the tangent of Anax and Ship...  this just smells bad on the part of Ahmed and his dad. The public story is just a little bit too inconvenient to be fully believed. I'm still waiting for my invitation to the White House.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2015, 07:21:34 PM »

Stick to audio, Marv. That's a subject on which you have some semblance of a clue.If this is your America, I want no fucking part of it.

Unfortunately, the USA is in a bit of a quagmire in terms of school violence and terrorism. Whether the response to these threats is too knee-jerk paranoid or not is wholly another discussion. In the attempts to mitigate the risks of these threats, mistakes against the individual will definitely be made. It's never black or white. You gain some, your lose some.

If you really want no part of it, move to Canada.

I mean this in the most sincere way. Obviously there are many things that trouble you in the USA. I have lived in Canada. I think you will like it. No violence, safe at night, more liberal tilt, additional categories of LBGT with a q, universal health care, great educational system, less pollution, lots of museums, excellent transportation system, anti-war sentiment, terrorists don't care about killing Canadians, bums in Toronto are super polite and sort of well dressed, etc.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2015, 07:29:02 PM »

We don't have any facts. For all we know Ahmed or perhaps a classmate could have initially joked "it's a bomb" when the teacher asked what was beeping, and then things rapidly went south from there.

Agreed. I tried to couch my comment in terms of the hypothetical precisely because we don't actually know detail of what happened. Just saying those factors would change my analysis significantly, and they are things we will likely learn about.

Regarding bomb jokes (and joke-bombs): the only funny thing about bomb jokes in the US is how many times we are told from grade school to the end of time to "never make bomb jokes."
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2015, 07:36:19 PM »

Before leaving on plane trip to Taiwan, I had to sit down with my kids to tell them to not talk about bombs in the airport. Of course kids being kids, they had to ask "But why?"

We started at 9/11, went back in time, and stopped around Lawrence of Arabia. We will eventually make it Kingdom of Heaven, and maybe even to Ben-Hur or farther back.

P.S. Before the Internet, there were these things called BBS's in the 80s. Lots of guides on how to build bombs or commit credit card fraud.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2015, 07:52:28 PM »

I've never seen a bomb, and I hope I never do, but if I ever do, and I get to register anything before the final big flash in my life, I doubt very much that it will have a digital display, wires hanging out of it ...

Why? Surely real bomb makers don't make something that looks so obviously like a bomb? oh-my-god-its-got-wires: Is that the limit of modern inteligence and observation? Or just the extent, coupled with certain appearnacnces, skin colours, and names, of modern bigotry?

Are you completely nutz? So if you see something that looks like a bomb, you'll ignore it because it's too obvious just so you can preserve your skewed sense of racial egalitarianism? See, this is the result of political correctness. Trading lives for "feelings". What an utterly stupid thing. I wish there was a better word but there simply isn't.

You want to know what some of the parts of a bomb can look like? Let me show you. These are my own pics from a trip abroad. I'm not going to show everything for obvious reasons. Suffice to say it was designed to blow up much much more than a classroom.


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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2015, 07:57:49 PM »

I wonder if I would get my kids in trouble for dressing like this for Halloween in liberal San Francisco or get a cultural awareness prize instead.

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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2015, 08:07:33 PM »

I going to keep repeating this until you guys get it. The teachers HAVE NO CHOICE because of their security training and security policies and procedures. If they see wires, or freak-out because they imagined they saw wires, they call the cops.

OK. I got it. Like a lot of the stuff that we go through at airports it may be bullshit, but if that if is the rules, regulations, procedures, enforced this that and the other, then I cannot blame the individuals. I acknowledge that they have to be able to tick the boxes.  And no, if something goes wrong, especially in the area of child safety, I wouldn't want to be the guy with an unticked box on the list.

No, I just made it up obviously. BBC News must be failing you.

Yes, indeed, the BBC often fails me. I've almost given up on its website as a source of international news, and completely given up on it as a sort-of-link to the country I used to live in. As to news about the country I do live in, it's coverage is regularly ignorant, condescending and crap.

Because of where I live, if you say "Islam," or "Muslim," to me, I do not immediately think of Arabs or the Middle East: I think of the people across the road, or the guy who repairs our AC machines. It may be a different kind of bias, but it does help me not to think of Islam as being automatically Arab. Don't they come in different colours where you live?

Also because of where I live, and because I had a lot to do with members of another South-Asian-origin community before I came here, I am very familiar with obsessive, high-pressure parents who give their children no alternative than to overachieve. Sure, I'd be wrong to say that that is exclusively S. Asian, but hey, I've known a few. I cannot see, though, even under that heading, that your theory holds water. It's too far fetched. And Too dangerous: what if the kid got shot?

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Are you completely nutz? So if you see something that looks like a bomb, you'll ignore it because it's too obvious just so you can preserve your skewed sense of racial egalitarianism? See, this is the result of political correctness. Trading lives for "feelings". What an utterly stupid thing. I wish there was a better word but there simply isn't.

No I am not completely nutz. so... what does a bomb look like, and what does it not look like?

I tell you one thing, though: If I ever thought that I was seeing a bomb, I wouldn't pause to take note of races/religions. Which is why the rest of the quote is nonsense.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2015, 08:10:25 PM »

The kid was a dumbass for bringing that to school and you can't fault the teacher for calling the cops. I fail to see how suspension punishes the kid though; he will just sit at home and play video games all day.
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