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Author Topic: The SchiitShow / Mr.SpeakersShow @ MdR, Saturday, Aug 15,2015 IMPRESSIONS  (Read 9959 times)

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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2015, 04:36:06 PM »

Yup, that's why I was wondering about the feeling in the room and what Dan might have to say.

A follow up: did anyone who attended in person feel it was awkward or strange for Mr. Speakers to be squatting at the Schiit event? Especially since they decided to steal the HF thunder with their own announcement the day before?
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2015, 05:21:19 PM »

yep it was weird especially since I like to be critical when evaluating and he was kind of just staring at me.  But I kind of get it he was real proud of his headphones he wanted to see people's reactions. 

For the most part Mike and Jason were working the room I didn't see them interact to much with the Mr. Speakers people.  but since they looked like they were having fun so I think they just let it go.
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2015, 06:04:17 PM »

It's interesting (though unsurprising) that H-F's Ether C thread is full of oh-so-much-hype for this new headphone.  I almost bought into it (though it doesn't matter since I can't get a new open headphone for another year or so).  It's also interesting that the actual SchiitShow 2015 Impressions thread is much more subdued regarding the Ether C - most early posters don't share the sentiments as Jude regarding the Ether C as a more fleshed out headphone ("neutral plus", whatever that means).  I've come to realize that there are only a few posters whose impressions I trust (both here and on H-F), but I still almost fell to the hype.

That said, the same people I trust seem mixed on the Ether C's (some love them, some think the Ether is better still), and I love marv's dose of reality in comparison.  I still think the Ether C looks incredible (better than the open Ether's IMO), but I'm not sure if I have any need for a closed headphone at home (I already am getting the PM-3 for portable and office use).  I really appreciate hearing all your impressions here.  I can't wait to hear Anax's thoughts on all these new flagships over at Tyll's... maybe they can get a pre-production Ether C to include in the battle? :)

I donno if this was directed at me but let me try to clarify again. 

I am not disagreeing with Marv and Anax.

the Ether-C>hd800 was out of the lyr 2.  I was assuming most people have heard the lyr 2 with the hd800 but it's not that special.  Similarly the ehter-c wasn't that great either but I did think that it was interesting to note that the highs had better soundstage separation where the instruments felt more distinct and 3d.  That being said I never really recommended a schiit amp for orthos as I thought the sound was always to lean for orthos (the body and bass being two orthos traits I really like).

The peak Anax was talking about, I just called it sharpness and I did hear it out of the yggy/rag and bifrost/lyr 2 tube.  It was less noticeable with the gungnir/mojo2 solid and was next to imperceivable with the mojo2 tube.  When I tried it with the D/S bifrost/lyr2 solid I lasted 20 seconds  before I had to take of the headphones.  I never heard al green's voice so granting in my life.

the bass is also more rescessed than the open back.  However I wouldn't call the open back ethers bass good ortho bass.  Sound more like a 2.1 stereo speaker system with a crappy subwoofer with a bad cross over.  It sounds disjointed from the rest of the audio response and very one note.  Its there but it just thumps when it needs to be there, no real definition.  So when the closed back pull it back I wasn't shedding any tears, what did make me sad though is that the mids got some of there body scooped out.  However the closed back doesn't just pull back the bass it also makes them decay faster.  Dan told me its because he wanted to get standing up bass right, I didn't listen to any stand up bass so I don't know if he succeeded.

so yeah I agree with Marv and Anax, but I do think the Ether-C works well with the MB Gungnir/mojo2 tube. The tube bloom and warmth pushes the bass foward and made it more pleasing and since it decayed faster didn't feel mushy, the open backs on the other hand did.  With the warmth and more foward bass the mids got there most of there life back.  My favorite mids? No , but not worst than any other head phone I had there.  The balance setup, tubes, and R2R dac mitigated the sharp tremble to unnoticeable levels for me.  Hope that clarifies things.

also at the meet I heard

enigma dharma
zmf omni
grillmod + focas-A pads he560

out of the cavallie crimson+dac19 so if anyone wants impressions let me know.
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2015, 06:24:25 PM »

Marv or anyone else, did you get a chance to talk to Dan (and possibly Jason) about the leak? How did Dan react?

Jason indicated that it was water under the bridge. Obviously, next time they do this, there would be changes.

Yup, that's why I was wondering about the feeling in the room and what Dan might have to say.

A follow up: did anyone who attended in person feel it was awkward or strange for Mr. Speakers to be squatting at the Schiit event? Especially since they decided to steal the HF thunder with their own announcement the day before?

Jason mentioned that Dan and them had talked about doing a joint, but at the time, Dan wasn't ready to release the now named Ether-C yet. But as Schiit went ahead to do their own thing, it looked like Dan was able to finish up whatever issues was plaguing the Ether-C at the time. And so yesterday happened.

Personally, I thought the Mr Speakers employee was releasing the Schiit info because a) the Ether-C was already being announced before the show by Head-fi, so why not have the Schiit info out as well, and b) he'd look cool to all the HF posters. Obviously the wrong call.

Also, I would have thought this would jeapordize any future Schiit shows. Putting these shows on costs money, and Schiit usually isn't in the business of doing things like this. So now the built in surprise factor in announcing this among a waiting crowd at the show is gone. Too bad the dumbfucks on HF who perpetuated in releasing and retelling the info during the press embargo wouldn't have figured that out, and then saying "oh, it's no big deal." I'd post that on HF, but I'm effectively banned. But I guess that's fitting.
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2015, 07:21:05 PM »

Question to those who've heard them: Would the Lyr 2 with LISST tubes be considered an upgrade to the Asgard 2?

Currently running the Asgard 2 and Bifrost Uber (going multi-bit whenever that's ready) into un-modded HD800s. I've always been wary of mucking around with tubes.

I don't think going to Lyr 2 with LIIST is worth it from Asgard 2. Would be too close to call and more a case of slightly different rather than better. The Asgard 2 is a really good solid-state amp for $299. It should be on the Leaderboard. I think the only reason it isn't is because people would further accuse us or me of being a Schiit shill.
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2015, 07:24:01 PM »

TBH, and I want to be clear that this has nothing... is absolutely nothing against Mr.Speakers, but I felt slightly weird-ed out with Mr.Speakers there for several reasons:
  • The event as was advertised as a Schiit-Show. Not a Shiit / Mr.Speakers Joint Show. Setting proper expectations for the customer / attendee is paramount IMO. For these kinds of things, I don't like surprises.
  • Following up on that thought, for a Schiit-Show (which was really more of a customer appreciation event), Mr.Speakers presence was more overwhelming than expected or wanted. Every table had Mr.Speakers Ether and Ether-C headphones. Every table had the Mr.Speakers writeup and measurements for the Ether-C. One of the Rag/Yggy stacks had both Mr.Speakers and his assistant's business cards in business card holders on top. Since I was expecting a "Schiit-Show", the back of my mind sort of goes WTF? Coupled with Jude's super front page announcement and glowing praise of the Ether-C on HF tying into this event, it felt like "ewww yuck, don't get your cooties on me" or like someone is trying to shove something in my face. Nobody likes that feeling. It's like how the fuck did the Schiit Show become a Jude/HF/Mr.Speakers circus show too? I know some other people felt the same way, but will never say it, except Ravi.
  • As some of you guys pointed out, Jason and Mike were never in the room. That puts a lot less pressure on people in the room listening to the stuff - so they can more freely and openly talk about the gear. Dan was in the room a lot. I'm sure he wanted people to like his headphones; but that sort of puts a damper of discussion inside the room. Throwing out impressions to each other, re-listening for certain things, that's a big part of this hobby.
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2015, 07:26:16 PM »

I stand by my fuck you, Dan from the other thread. That's not how you treat a partner.
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2015, 07:41:29 PM »

A bit harsh, but I see how people would perceive it as such.

I don't know exactly was worked out between Schiit and Mr.Speakers, and I don't care to know; but this was Schiit's moment to shine with the surprise announcement of two and a half new products. It would have been completely fine had Jason himself made the announcement that Mr.Speakers was tagging along and open the podium to Dan, so Dan himself could have talked about his surprise.

That didn't happen; and the fact that Jude wrote a glowing praise introduction to the Ether C, and then pointed over to the Schiit-Show does smack a bit of opportunistic event hijacking. Again, I don't know exactly what was worked out, but as they say, perception is reality.
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Re: The SchiitShow @ Marina del Rey, Saturday, August 15,2015 Impressions
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2015, 07:44:29 PM »

Guess what Headfi posted at their frontpage:

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Launching today at SchiitShow in Marina del Rey, Cailfornia is a new closed-back flagship planar magnetic headphone from MrSpeakers called the ETHER C.

Got to ask Jude: Is this a SchiitShow or MrSpeakershow?  :spank:

Headfi did not post any writeup on Schiit's new products and just sidementions schiit show? Stealing Schiit's thunder imho.
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Anyways, a few notes on the Lyr with LISST and Mojo 2 with LISST as I promised I would follow up. BTW, I believe Anaxilus and OJ may be doing a write-up on this event for Tyll, so be sure to check Inner Fidelity in the next few days.

In a nutshell, I prefer the Mjolnir 2 with tubes and the Lyr 2 with the SSTs. I'll keep this short as usual:
  • Tubes (real) take the Mjolnir 2 to the next level. While the real tubes shift the tonal balance to "more fun" relative to the SSTs, i.e. more bass and more present mid-treble, tubes really do liven up and increase the "technicalities" of the Mjolnir: more resolving, increased macro dynamics, more gradations of small volume contrasts, and more open. In essence, more engaging, the sort of engaging that makes you NOT want to put the headphones down. In my opinion (and these words are borrowed from someone else), the Mjolnir was always meant to have tubes. I wouldn't worry about the "treble" comment. It's relative to the SSTs and it's not edgy (we are talking about tubes after all), and it doesn't preclude the use of HD800s. The tonal balance comments do need to be tempered by the fact that I don't know what tubes were used. There is a huge selection of tubes what will work, and I know you can get all sorts of different tunings with the 6922s. Finally, I'll say this again: Lyr or Vali fans would very well served by upgrading to the Mjolnir 2. [I'm actually very tempted to pick one up for myself]
  • I know a lot of people like the Lyr 2 because of its bass, warmth, and slam and I totally respect this view. However, the SSTs actually make the Lyr 2 more neutral sounding. The SSTs tighten up the Lyr 2's sound, provide a better transient response, a faster sound with more delineated lines and articulation. This is my personal preference, and to me (again, borrowing words from someone else), the Lyr was always meant to have SSTs. My view is that the tubes for in Lyr 2 don't actually do anything other than offer more bass and more slam. The Lyr 2 isn't as technically capable of as the Mjolnir 2, so the good things that tubes normally bring to the table (non-mist clarity, resolution, microdynamics) isn't as evident. So in this case, I'll take more control and more precision rather than more warmth and slam.
Hope that makes sense and doesn't make anyone mad. In the end, we all have more choice.
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